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I've been training JS for my guards over the past 3 weeks and here's all of the data i've gathered so far. The skill levels are in the number values instead of word values (respectable=7):

first 2 weeks: lvl 9 trainer, this week lvl 10

6'3" 19 YO PG-partial training 1st week, full training wk 2&3-JS pop: wk 1 & 3, JR pop wk 1, DV pop wk 2
JS–6 to 8 DV-6 to 7 JR–4 to 5

6'4" 24 YO SG-full training all 3 weeks-all pops wk 1
JS–6 to 7 DV-0 JR–7 to 8

6'4" 20 YO PG–full training all 3 weeks-all pops wk 2
JS–3 to 4 DV-6 to 7 JR–0

6'2" 23 YO SG-full training all 3 weeks-JS & JR pop 1st week, nothing wk 2, JS pop wk 3
JS–6 to 8 DV-0 JR–6 to 7

6'2", 19 YO SG-partial training all 3 weeks @ pg (wk 1: 29 min, wk 2: 30 min, wk 3: 32 min): pop during 2nd week
JS–4 to 5 DV-0 pops JR–0

6'5", 21 YO SG-no training 1st week, wk 2: 27 min, wk 3: 47 min), all pops most recent training
JS-7 to 8 JR-7 to 8 DV-0

Hope this helps shed some light on JS training for guards. As far as I can gather, the better skilled a player is in JS, the faster his skill increases (unless my 20 YO PG just had really low sublevels before i trained him). I might train for one more week and see what happens, or switch to pressure PG/SG and do some research there. Also, having a player play for more than 90 minutes will harm his stamina. Just so you know. Also, if anyone has an excel spreadsheet they use to do this sort of tracking, please send it to me (BBmail me first). I know this info is kind of messy but hopefully it has all the necessary information.

the better skilled a player is in JS, the faster his skill increases

Not very likely. As a matter of fact, highly unlikely.

Not much analysis to report but I had a monster week of pops... 10 in total training one to one for forwards!! After a week of JS a week of OS and a week of Passing training I was expecting a fair few and I got them!

My new 938k C signing popped in 3 areas! (IS to Prolific and DV/HD to awful) My SG got 3 pops too! JS to prof HD Average DV Mediocre, my PF got JS to Proficient and HD to strong.. and 1 pop each on DR and IS for my SF and PG.... I had 1 guy who got 36 mins who didnt pop anywhere and I know he has some serious sub levels brewing!

Depending on minutes this week I am going for SB for C/PF and possibly SF... i need to spend at least 3-4 weeks on this and might try and be patient and include 8-9 players if I can juggle the playing time ok.... if i opt to go down this route i will try and learn something about the 3 position training...


oh and i wake up to a message from an NT coach saying my player isnt developing to his liking... ha... maybe i am doing something wrong!


Last edited by Superfly Guy at 2/22/2008 7:06:16 PM

The heights of the players:

1) 216cm - 3 pops in 3 wks
2) 216cm - 3 pops in 3 wks
3) 213cm - 3 pops in 3 wks
(These players had 47+ mins for each game)

4) 206cm - 2 pops in 3 wks
5) 211cm - 2 pops in 3 wks
(Both players had 48+ mins for each game)

6) 218cm - 1 pop in 3 games (25min, 8min, 0 min)

Certainly it seems that the case of taller players improving more rapidly in rebounding seems to be true. At least in 3 weeks.

Also, if anyone has an excel spreadsheet they use to do this sort of tracking,

A heads up for those who don't know:

You can copy and paste the player skill numbers from BuzzerBeater Scout into Excel or OpenOffice.

First make sure BBS is set to numerical rankings for skills.

Simply click on a player and use control-C to copy the data line. Then past it into excel. You'll need to allow for the blank column in front of and following the name. (I think one these pastes the uniform number, which I don't have). You'll have to delete the age and height columns, which don't change. I delete DMI, but you can leave it in, if you want. I delete the position calculations, too, but again you can leave them if you want to see the 'effect' of your training on your players projected performance.

To track changes, you'll need to have weekly .XMLs available. Make sure your players are on the same rows of each spread sheet (after transfers, you'll need to redo your sheets). Then enter the formula that subtracts last week's JS rating from this week's. Copy that across all remaining columns of the row. Copy the formulas in that row all they way down to your last player. you'll now have mostly zeros, but a few '1's in the cells where you had pops. There might be '-1's in stamina, but life has its disappointments, too.

This will also calculate experience pops, the only way I've found to do so automatically.

Hope this helps others track pops.

Hmm what ages are they? Where did they play? What positions did you train? 2 or 1? Every week the same training? What did you train before? Did you train them all before? Maybe the taller ones had higher sublevels already?

Just posting the heigth and pops is not enough for a conclusion like that I think.

same question basically, 3 pops in the same skill?

If you refer to my other recent posts, I mentioned that all my 6 players played in either PF or C. I've been training Rebounding(PF/C) for the last 3 weeks with a Level 9 trainer.

I have no idea what the sublevels were on my players but it's interesting that I've seen 3 players pop 3 times in successive weeks with 2 others popping twice in 3 weeks. I thought my players wouldn't pop as much as they have. Quite possibly if I was to stick with rebounding for another week, I may not see any pops.

from your prior post(s), it seemed pretty clear that you had 3 players pop in rebounding back to back to back over 3 weeks. since this is prob double/triple what most of us are experiencing i had to ask again.

mind giving their skill levels? im wondering if they are really low level and train faster at low levels or something. this pace of training is pretty much unheard of, and it almost appears to be a glitch or something.

but also a more skilled player will improve more quickly

straight from the rules, friend. and i think my limited data bears this out.

but also a more skilled player will improve more quickly

straight from the rules, friend. and i think my limited data bears this out.

Refers to players with multiple high skills, not for players that train a skill that is already high, as far I know.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 2/24/2008 7:59:10 PM