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You obviously don't understand what anyone here has been saying at all. The people who benefitted the most from the old system will actually become even stronger now. The top div I teams will still pull in a lot of money but the teams that are in the bottom half of the top divisoins will have no way to compete with them.

In about a week or 2, 3 I will be able to tell you if it is THAT bad for lower DI teams...

please don't change the speed of training again and again, because someone have a great player just because the speed was faster or the other spend a lot of time to develop a player and than should be the speed back again

..that is f*cking irritating, the speed should be constant and NEVER change, otherwise it will damage someone everytime

As I said earlier on I do not find this solution ideal, however I think was the only real viabel solution when performed in panic mode.

Let me take myself as an example. My team is only 2.5 seasons old and I have just
promoted to the sewish DI. My wonderful arena, estadio de vinil, is a tiny arena that takes only 6060 attendants. The reason for this is that I have considered this to be the best strategy to build up my team.

Now with the rule changes a should probably have a bigger arena, but until now I have considered it to be the best shoice for my team. Thus, if my decision was right I now how more money to invest in arena expansion than I would otherwise have, if I was wrong I have less. Of course, some of this money is invested in players, as I thought this to be the best stratagy. The good thing with this is that if I consider a big arena to be more important than good players I can now sell a player and use this money for arena expansion. I.e. I have the possibility to adapt to the new rules.

On the other hand other teams might have chosen to expand their arena instead, because they thoght that to be the best strategy. Suppose that BB would have decided upon an arena tax instead, then these teams would be immediately hurt as their money is already invested in the arena and the only way to adapt to the new rules would be to remove seats from thir arena. Thus, they would need to throw away money and would have no real possibility to adapt to the change.

BB could of course have decided to give mney back on arena downsizing, but that would require some anlysis to make it work well, and would also be contraproductive as it would have made money available for the transfer.

Thus, in panic mode the current choice was better than arena taxation.

The point of telling people it is a game is to suggest that their perspective has become a bit skewed. That perhaps folks should wait and see before jumping down the creators' throats or calling the game out for being flawed, which is what I tried to convey by posting a short history of this game's mother, Hattrick.

You are the one who interpreted my post to mean that I am against expression. You were 100% wrong with your interpretation. My post had nothing to do with expression or acceptance of discussion or not. You interpreted it that way.

Yes I can suddenly assume anything I want. That is the glory and folly of assumption. Just as you can suddenly assume I am a fascist gamer who abhors freedom of discussion.

And just what brilliant contributions have you offered? Your first two posts were woe-is-me sob stories of how hard your team is going to be hit ( even though you try to lessen your whining by saying it's not really sour grapes, even though it most certainly is), then some hysterical responses to others' posts with some gratuitous smileys thrown in, then a trite capitulation to BB-Charles' response to you, then a shift into sardonic, mean-spirited replies to people. Keep up the expression!

Alas, I too am devolving into slings and arrows. I am sorry for suggesting it is a game. Personally, I have no problem with the change. Two weeks is plenty of time to sell your best player and get a nest egg to pay expenses if you think you won't be able to handle the hardship. I wish all of you who choose to do so good luck with your plans for demotion.


Last edited by somdetsfinest at 8/10/2008 10:15:59 AM

2nd...

the truth is, a lot of of comments here that comes from managers are coming from personal interest, or a general point of view either positive or negative.

but the fact is we are being treated like keannu from the movie matrix, he chose the red pill i guess and its a hard pill to swallow. because the changes that are going to happen are so sudden that a lot of it are for us to discover and trust the bb's

im not saying the bb's arent trust worthy for their decision, but since this is the way to go then lets walk the plank mates, lets see whats going to happen then we argue with them.

i think there is no point anymore in arguing a lot but ideas are always welcome. only time or next season will tell, i just hope the bb's will still be transparent, if ever the changes made for next season doesnt work or go to a majority of things to get better.

truthfully i expect the gm's to do their part in helping us managers, i do believe some would fight for us but to some . . . . ( who only knows is to ban players and put a mockery of themselves )

i hope i dont get ban due to this statement, its a wakeup call to them. because i have the biggest respect to those that are to respected :D

You were 100% wrong with your interpretation

Whatever. My mistake. Clearly you are the very essense of tolerance towards those who wish to air their opinions.

And just what brilliant contributions have you offered?

I never claimed to have any suggestions, I posted to have my opinion on the likely results of these changes aired, alongside the opinions of plenty of others. I wonder why bring this up since you are the epitome of tolerance?

you try to lessen your whining by saying it's not really sour grapes, even though it most certainly is

I also never said it was not sour grapes, I said I never meant for it to sound like sour grapes. Do you really not see the difference between the two statements?

a trite capitulation to BB-Charles' response

Actually my "trite" response had less to do with that specific post than to a more complete conversation we had via PM.

Two weeks is plenty of time to sell your best player and get a nest egg to pay expenses if you think you won't be able to handle the hardship.

This is exactly where the problem lies. I will not go broke. I will not have to sell off players. Instead I will break even and watch while teams like Torooo still make enough money to improve their team. The gap between the top teams and the lower will simply grow bigger.

The point has been made numerous times; if the big money teams are the problem why does this solution target the lower earning division I teams?

Keep up the expression!

This is why I shift into "sardonic, mean-spirited replies." I believe I maintained a reasonably contructive role in this discussion until people like you and a couple of others came on and began essentially telling us to shut up and quit whining because it's just a game. Feel free to tell me all about how worthless my posts have been, but I was not the one who felt the condescending need to let people know they were playing a game. At least my woe-is-me posts had a purpose in the discussion and were based on the numbers rather than some self-inflated sense of superiority.

People are having a normal discussion about planned changes and their possible effects and you decide to grace us with your presense in order to let us know it is just a game. Exactly how else could that be interpreted?

As I have said in another post or two - it isn't as though teams like mine will fall apart. What it means is that the very top earning teams will still make plenty, while we will merely be able to maintain our teams as they are. We don't really have much hope of improvement.

I see your point here except for one major flaw.

Suppose that BB would have decided upon an arena tax instead, then these teams would be immediately hurt as their money is already invested in the arena and the only way to adapt to the new rules would be to remove seats from thir arena. Thus, they would need to throw away money and would have no real possibility to adapt to the change

Since the changes are only temporary they would not really need to adapt. They have big enough arenas to keep up as strong a cash flow as the rest of us, and when the taxes are ove they would continue to reap the benefits of their large arenas. The changes as they now exist mostly punish the teams that are the biggest victims of inflation.

For example: The Torooo tax hurts every single other div I team in Canada more than it hurts Torooo because he has the biggest arena. An arena tax would level the playing field for the two or three seasons it is in place, rather than widen the gap between him and the rest of us.

Last edited by TigerUnderGlass at 8/10/2008 9:53:37 PM

So they opened the site and said, "omg, things are waaay out of control, we need to change something now, before dinner!" Exactly.

Fixed.

There's is the best.I haven't seen a better one, have you?.

See almost any post by Kozlodoev.

Last edited by TigerUnderGlass at 8/10/2008 9:57:46 PM