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78242.378 in reply to 78242.376
Date: 12/17/2010 9:04:08 AM
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some more OD data, this time for OD 2-position, data received from an anonymous user who trains smarter than I do ;-)
Trainer = level 5

A 19 6'2"
B 20 6'1"
C 20 6'4"
D 22 6'3"
E 22 6'0"
F 20 6'6"

wk1 wk2 wk3 wk4 wk5 wk6 wk7 wk8 wk9
A 48 47 48 46 48 48 48 48 48
B 48 48 48 47 48 46 48 48 48
C 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48
D 48 48 48 48 48 44 48 29 48
E x 43 43 41 36 48 45 x 40
F x 44 47 48 48 48 48 19 48

OD/2 OD/2 OD/2 OD/2 OD/2 OD/2 OD/2 OD/2 OD/2
A x O+I x x OD x x OD x
B OD x x OD x OD x x OD
C x OD x x OD x x x OD
D x OD x x x x OD x x
E . ID x x OD x x . x
F . x x OD x x ID x OD

Totals: 15 OD, 3 ID, 50-ish weeks of 48 minutes.
(notice: _ZERO_ pops in handling or driving)


This information (particularly the part in parentheses) would be a lot more helpful if we knew:
a) the levels of OD, HN, and DR of all players involved at the beginning of training, &
b) the potentials of the players

As it stands, all that is obvious is that if a player doesn't reach the magical 48 minutes, he isn't very likely to keep on pace with his peers that do. Edit: sorry, it also seems to imply that ID trains faster than HN & DR as a secondary of OD, at least as far as 2-position training is concerned.

(on an unrelated note, I wish these forums had an easy method of making tables so that this type of information was easier to share and read.)

Last edited by darykjozef at 12/17/2010 9:06:25 AM

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From: samuli
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Date: 12/23/2010 12:37:52 PM
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Hi. Someone has maybe asked about this before but Im in a bit of hurry so i have not time to search it.
So, is it better to get for example 42 minutes 1-position train than 48min 2-positions train? I have three players with 41, 45 and 46 minutes as C this week and Im training C/PF. Is it better to change my training just for centers?

From: juscious

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Date: 12/23/2010 12:50:01 PM
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yep its better. especially when you only have 3 trainees, so no need to use 2pozition training, 2pozition is 2x slower than 1pozition for the same skills.

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Date: 12/23/2010 8:37:42 PM
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2pozition is 2x slower than 1pozition for the same skills.


It's not quite as simple as that. Single position training is obviously faster than 2 position training but it's certainly not twice as fast.

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Date: 12/24/2010 11:40:51 PM
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I don't remember exactly but I think somewhere, it said the efficiency of two pisition training is about 75% of one position training.

From: Newton07

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Date: 12/31/2010 10:17:23 AM
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Team Training
Free Throws:
Trains FT @ 2 weeks

So far that was always my experience too, but I have just had 2 consecutive weeks training FT and 4 out of 11 players did not pop, while the other 7 popped once as expected.
Sad news, at least for me.

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Date: 12/31/2010 10:51:49 AM
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My 20 year old 6'9 center has been poping in OD every two weeks with 5 level trainer...this is very interesting...

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Date: 12/31/2010 12:13:50 PM
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My own observation also indicates that taller guys train outside skills pretty quickly during their early years. On the other hand I could be much happier about the way my short players train ID.

Another interesting observation was Driving pops 2 weeks in a roll. Seen it just once but it was lower then all other guards skills with exception of passing. Perhaps Passing doesn't really affect other guard skills training trough the elastic effect??

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Date: 1/28/2011 10:26:18 AM
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This is interesting, look at my rookie Bepo Vlaše's progress:

1/28/2011 Pressure for PG
Bepo Vlaše ↑popped↑ in Outside Def. from average to respectable .
Bepo Vlaše ↑popped↑ in Inside Def. from awful to inept .
1/21/2011 Pressure for PG
Bepo Vlaše ↑popped↑ in Outside Def. from mediocre to average .

Weekly salary: $ 4 241

Age: 19
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: respectable ↑ Handling: strong
Driving: average Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: inept ↑
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: respectable

Experience: atrocious

Trainer level 5

Training minutes:
1st week 47 minutes
2nd week 43 minutes

So he didn't get full training in neither of those weeks, but he popped in OD in two consecutive weeks... Just to mention that these were my only OD trainings in a while, I can post more data in a couple of weeks...

Last edited by Bevzil at 1/28/2011 10:26:54 AM

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Date: 1/29/2011 6:07:44 AM
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Such thing could certainly happen if he's that short and only 18 year old. But I'm bit surprised that he got a pop in OD 2 weeks in a row because both weeks he didn't receive full training.
One of my rookie (last season) got a pop in JS 2 weeks in a row, so that's a similar case right there (but he got full training).

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