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One year of no changes would be the surest way of killing the game but that I admit is only my opinion. However the game playing public play games for fun and excitement. How is a game that leaves bugs unfixed and doesn't have any new features for a year going to keep it's players happy.

How about some positive praise for all the fantastic changes the BBs have made over the last year.
Delete multiple BB mails.
See the nations and if it is a new flag on the scrimmage page.
Salary floor.
Much beter draft system.
No wages in offseason for teams not playing.
Reduced salaries of the top players.
Injuries go away over the offseason.
Position played listed in players game history.
Fixed the BBB.


I am sure there are dozens of other positive changes but these are just a few of the things the BBs have done to make our wonderful game even better.

I like a large majority of these changes. Most are cosmetic, others (draft) were in development for a very long time and were implemented with caution, others (fixing the BBB) don't affect the GE or league play.

Nothing wrong with putting more cosmetic changes into the game, but anything that affects the GE or the league/cup structure should be implemented with as much caution as humanly possible. The moratorium idea is a means of letting the community understand the gravity of major change, and discuss changes without the expectation that they will happen overnight.

Except that ideal balanced 2-3 forwards have the same or lower salaries as the popular forwards of today, and SB in a center can be emphasized to the same degree as the other inside attributes without increasing salary all too much (if you cap total insides at the same number).

Thank you for very reasonable and considered answers. I feel much better about this debate now.

If forwards train OD when they are 7'2'' they will train OD about as quick as 5'10'' guards do ID. That will slow down the training of other skills. Therefore if more time was spent on OD the other skills would be lower. lower RB, IS or ID- take your pick.

so i posted this on u21 debate thread in my country, but i guess it fits here. i saw these players on transfer list, but i can't give links, you all know why.


french, last season played u21:

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: strong Handling: mediocre
Driving: respectable Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: marvelous Shot Blocking: prominent
Stamina: average Free Throw: strong

lithuanian, last season played u21:

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: awful
Driving: average Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: stupendous Inside Def.: prodigious
Rebounding: stupendous Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: pitiful

which one is better? France advanced to semi-finals, Lithuania did not. i think i'll pick lower rb, is and od. after all a team is playing, not a player. and theres too many factors, like gameshape, enthuasiam, skills of other players on your team etc, that comes into play. why do i need big salary's if i can be effective with lower main skills. btw i was 8th in league last season by the amount of player salary's. i've won the league.

Last edited by Rycka at 4/23/2011 6:52:13 AM

first of all i won III after two seasons :) i'm in II now, and i'll try not to relegate even though i'm underdog. i thought i'm underdog when i promoted to III too, but finished 4th first season. believe me, i didn't thought that was possible with salary's like mine.

i always had bigs with reasonable SB (well ofc it wasn't high strong-prominent) and i did feel that this skill is working. never had a feeling like, oh my why didn't he do anything, he has SB! never.

ofc it's a matter how trainee is generated, sometimes it's just not worth it to train some skill from atrociuos. but what i wanted to say with this small sample. you can train good players. even for u21.

There was once an American football MMORPG called Goal Line Blitz. It had inherent flaws, but it was still reasonably fun - until managers started complaining about the game every time something went wrong for their team. This allowed them to blame their troubles on the game, instead of taking responsibility and working to succeed within the current game. Admins listened to too many of these complaints and changed the game rapidly, causing new problems every season, and the game is now a ghost town, where even the most dedicated managers only play because they bought too many "flex points" and don't want to waste their money.

I love BB because it's avoided going down this path. However, I've been troubled by some of what I've heard around the BB forums. The salary floor, for example, was implemented as a response to complaints about tanking teams - a noble cause, surely - but it ignored the plight of teams promoting into leagues they can't compete in anyways. The 2-3 zone is said by many managers to be "broken," even though there has been little to no use of the defense with forwards with OD and a center with SB. If 2-3 is changed because of the complaints of managers who are just upset they lost games when they tried playing it with a 4 OD PF, that might be it for me.

Changes should not be reactionary. I think the BBs generally do a great job of this, but seeing that this offseason contained quite a few changes, I think it would be wise to halt any non-cosmetic changes for a calendar year. The strategy of over-tinkering with the game engine, financial system, etc. will only result in another GLB, a dying hulk of something once great, but destroyed from within.

Great post. You may be be accused of being Czech sooner or later :-)

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