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There is a downside to training (especially in the upper leagues), but I think that it is good. Think about it. If there was a way to train effectivly and win in the higher division (like micronations can), play the cup with full strenght and the league with full strenght with no downsides. It would be a pointless game. The game is about choise. What will you focus on and what are you willing to sacrifice to get what you want.

I think that is an excellent point, the current system does balance things a bit.

I still think there is a place for a D-League but it should have a large nuber of restrictions.
Age: Max 25. (We aren't developing 33 year olds)
Salary: Max $10,000. (Developing players not fine tuning stars)
Potential: Max All-star. (LeBron or Dwight or Kobe aren't going to the D-League)
Time: Half a season. You can buy or sell players at any time but moving them from your team to the D-League team should only happen twice a season during the offseason and during the all star break.
Trainer: Max one less than the real team. If your real team has a level 6 trainer the D-League can't have greater than level 5.
Costs: Income = 0, outgoings are normal with a salary floor. (No gate reciepts, TV money or Merchandising for D-League but you still have to pay your players and trainer.) The salary floor should be set so teams would be silly to not have a roster of ten guys on salaries of $4,000 each as well as a star or two so $50,000 seems a nice round figure.

So if you want a D-League team you can but it will cost you about $60,000 or more a week. Obviously even division V teams can still run it at a profit by selling some of the players they train but it would still require quite a bit of management and investment up front.

Reading all of this it sounds beautiful and elegant but would probably be another complication for a new player. I can't remember how they run the development teams in other games. I think in Hattrick you can just call up a random player once a week from your development squad but they were always useless.

Last edited by yodabig at 12/22/2011 5:26:31 PM

hey yoda, nice summary, how you have described it is great, even if some of the numbers got tweaked a bit ie: age limit, salary limit etc.

Im personally thinking the restrictions should be slightly harsher, eg lower age, less salary, etc.

i think it would be a complicaiton for a new player. But you know what? When i first started playing this game, about the only thing that made sense straight up was .... well atually i was going to say setting a lineup but even that, that proved to be more complicated than originally thought.
so its more just a little extra feature that as a player becomes more experienced, they can start to take advantage of.

hi, i disagree with you a little here.

anywhere near as successful as hattrick or othergames like it.

.but I am sure it would be more popular than some random metagame universe as it is

played hattrick for a while .. for me it seems like this game has the exact same principles as it. so don't think it's a problem there. we just have to face the cold fact, soccer is more popular than bball .. so yes .. hattrick is more popular.

the current NBA structure is based on the fact that there are only 30 teams in the league. however, you can't use the same structure for 30 000+ teams (random number really.. :) ) that's why cap room or trades are not viable.

the game structure is and needs to be thought specifically for the game. not to copy the structure of real leagues. fantasy game, fantasy rules

cheers

As I did not see you around, and as I read between the lines that you haven't realy been around, let me summarize the issue here.

Current game as basic failure of competitiveness where old teams has to many assets to compete with.
In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

All of the objections here are for the sole reason of keeping this game a like that.
They want that status kept, and does not want to bother with BB-managing.
At most they want to play eBay-game, and one that gives those who are (in any case) being around the clock over this game an advantage by not using an Semi-Automatic Auction system.

Luckily they are not who decide, but I do not know when and how often the BBs are reading this threads.

The NBA structure and rules are the core of this game.
Not having any feature that exists there needs to have a very good explanation.
You will not see any here, because there are none.

Why to object D-League?
Because they are not dealing with players that they are realy training.
D-League will not add anything to them, but might change the picture (not enough) that had been shown above.

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

If that is true that is a really damming stat. Wow.

ok, so first of all, just because i didn't post much doesn't mean i don't read the threads before i post a reply. so don't make any quick assumptions.

now, the NBA is just one of the many basketball associations. arguably the best but again, its rules are applied to a small group of teams. you can't apply the same system to entire BB nation.

having a d-league that semi-trains players would not help in any way. simply put, players that are not good enough and are trained in d-league will forever remain in d-league. if you don't train a player properly in the first years there is no way that he will evolve enough to play "pro".

the only solution that i see to insert d-league would be to replace the current draft system. basically you could have a second team for scouting talents and play them in games.
but that would mean that in draft day, every other manager from your league should be able to draft your player to keep the draft rules intact.

but i think it would complicate the game structure too much. and what happens if all the managers from your league don't want to have a d-league team. or don't scout a lot. you would have less good players in the draft than other managers that have a more active d-league.

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

have you ever thought that simply they are better managers ? i mean, they have the experience and all. and as a matter of fact i actually look up to them for staying so long in the game. that is the challenge for new managers. to beat the old ones. it doesn't have to be easy. it wouldn't be fair to be easy.

plus, their players get old, exactly like yours. if they haven't been training or purchasing younger talent they will be in trouble.

i don't say the system is perfect .. and i as well have pondered on this subject if there is a rift between old teams and new teams and how that rift could be filled. however, i think that through good economic management, good training plan and a little bit of draft luck you can get in higher divisions. i hope to prove you that in next 2-3 seasons :D

don't worry man, there is plenty of "bb-managing" to be done. i'm certain that you will see that once you play through more seasons.

Last edited by andrei_r at 1/3/2012 8:12:48 PM

It is true.
I'm not sure if it is upon season 18 (current) or previous (17), but it is easy (except about the half an hour checking) to verigy that.

It is not supprising - each season any team adds to her assets (Players, Arena size, money, etc.), so the difference between someone who started earlier is just absurd.

Features like a Cap-salary (for example) had been set on the NBA for dealing with that.

ok, so first of all, just because i didn't post much doesn't mean i don't read the threads before i post a reply. so don't make any quick assumptions.

In case you got offended by that, I appologize. It was not my intention.

D-league is parallel to current training and draft.

A player who decided to put himself to the draft may be fit to be elected (as he has good potential), but not yet fit to play on the "grown up" league.
This is why they may get some extra training in the D-League before returning to the team who selected them.

There is no D-League managing.
You can refer to it as an "outsourcing" training camp.
You send players and orders to train, and your player is get trained (maybe it even will be better if the personal training each player gets is random).

The training on D-league will be slower than the training on his own team.

The cost of that process will be a percentage of that player salary, and may even be upadated weekly upon his new skills value, in contradiction to players who are in your roster.

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

have you ever thought that simply they are better managers ?

Do you mean that the best managers came at the first for seasons, and all others (additinal 14 seasons!!!) are just not worse than those ones? I hope you can see that this is just cannot be true.

Each year, each team gets more assets (players, arena size, etc.) the difference is not getting smaller between the new teams and the old once (who posseses the same BB-manager quality).

don't worry man, there is plenty of "bb-managing" to be done. i'm certain that you will see that once you play through more seasons

Currently I am using all BB-manging skills, as I am at the third divisions.
On the higher divisions there are less BB-manging skills that can actually be used.