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wasn't looking at England versus Finland, i was looking at Finland versus Italy. I think that it's really hard to put Finland or England on equal terms with Italy if we're being fair at all. They won in an upset.

4 assists to the PF, 1 to the C, 1 to the SF, and 1 to the SG were made assists. How many were missed is really the question.

Once the ball gets distributed to a shooter who attempts a shot, it's solely on the shooter.

Nope, by outcome shitty I mean that the outcome is ridiculous.
I won matches in which I should have lost by numbers, that's shitty too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or whatsoever about the match, the fact we lost is just annoying but I would have said the same even with the opposite result+value+ratings.
We're talking about different things I assume. If your point is only to say "I like that weaker team can have by effort the chance to win against stronger teams" I can say even that I agree, not mostly but it's something sport-related.
If you see that this match ended like this rightly (speaking on the GE point of view, so ratings, statistics, matchups...) because of the CT/TIE I disagree.

The title of this topic "U21 Consolation Tournament -- Season 37" is misleading. I haven't read anything about the tournament. I heaven't read any basketball reviews of matches. I haven't read any previews of the upcoming rounds. I also haven't read any congratulations to the Dutch U21 team.

Basically, nothing about the U21 Consolation Tournament.

What I did read was math and statistics problems. I suggest to those not able to handle unsolvable math problems, to go back to reading math books, there you will always find the solution to a problem.

Thank you for congratulating our U21 coach Jeründerbar for this historic upset. One of the greatest upsets in the history of the U21 Consolation tournament to stay on topic. We appreciate it! ;)

Hahaha, absolutely, or we might hire some... you know, Russian hackers or something

i hope you decide to follow your own advice here if you are in charge of a NT in the future and find your self in the same situation as the Netherlands did here.

I have no interest in taking charge of a NT, I have absolutely no interest to babysit or run after managers for GS, training, finding buyers for their players or whatever else and I think there are more qualified people to run NTs anyways.

I can assure you that if I'm the Netherlands I play some broken tactic (like Patient with offset scorer), double GDP and Normal hoping that I get some injury or foul out to go my way. I could perhaps understand your reasoning at the NT level but at the U21 level the difference between teams is not that massive (with some exception, like Italy in the consolation tournament), which means you're delusional if you think (5% chance to win R32 + 10% chance to win R16 + 5% to win R8) is better than (1% chance to win R32 + 40% to win R16 + 30% chance to win R8). CT every game with the probability above has about 0.025% of landing you in the Semis. Normalling with the probabilities above has 0.12% chance of landing you in the Semifinals, about 5 times higher.

This is the reasoning I would do, but to me achieving an extra round in a second tier competition would be a worthless achievement. Of course if Holland did throw away extra Enth in losses during the qualification phase. The only benefit of the consolation tournament is:
A) Winning it (it's still a trophy and at the U21 level many teams can win it)
B) Home court advantage for the following competition

That's about it. I'd rather have my U21 coach trying to go as far as he possibly can, not settle for mediocrity. Crunching in the first elimination game is just giving up from the get go.

But they still gets to play another playoff game that can lead to another small drop in the rankings. This can lead to easier opponents next season. Not really something that will hurt them imo.

Elaborate please. I think qualification groups strength is random, but perhaps you can show us some post by BBs where it says they are seeded from the best to the worst ranking.

Even if you're right and they are seeded (which in the 30s and 40s I do not believe), I'd take the chance of playing a few extra games than winning the first and having next to no chance of progressing further to improve my team's ranking by 1 or 2.

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What I did read was math and statistics problems.

What you read were math and statistics explanation of why the GE produced a result contrary to logic. I suggest if you cannot handle the truth that statistics show us, either provide evidence of how it all makes sense in basketball terms or get or take your own suggestion and read some math books: no need for stochastic calculus, you just need arithmetic!

I also haven't read any congratulations to the Dutch U21 team.

Thank you for congratulating our U21 coach Jeründerbar for this historic upset. One of the greatest upsets in the history of the U21 Consolation tournament to stay on topic. We appreciate it! ;)

I wouldn't congratulate Steven Bradbury for winning an Olympic gold, surely I shouldn't congratulate someone equally underserving in BB, would you?

It's like when Manon got outsmarted and lost to Wolph, but the latter still needed a healty dose of GE nonsense to win (back then there was no GDP either, so things are comparable).

Ah, you're one of those people... sportmanship doesn't matter, only being right.

Play this game for math and statistics, fine. I won't.

So here is my explanation in basketball terms. One team showed more effort and the coach of the weaker team did a better job. The end!