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interesting, I think this needs to be investigated by GM's

As a GM said;

You can manipulate the competition giving free wins just because it's not on the rules.

You are right, everything is in the rules. But this is "moral cheating", or dishonesty.

And they still have the boldness to post here.

Unfortunatelly, you can't do anything against it. I don't expect any punishment from GM's to iranian teams due to walkover or given up final tiebreaker.
You can just show you don't like them :-)

Last edited by rwystyrk at 9/27/2011 8:24:22 AM

And do you really prefer game with BB-police staff to current one? I think it would mean the end of the game. If any change is designed, it should be in way of affecting team economy, players game shape etc. But with current model with 3 competitive matches a week and minutes handling for good GS it's really difficult to find a model which would affected such a cases in a effective way without disadvantaging teams which give up game because they simple don't have enough players for 3 games a week or they are so weak that they lost to his opponent by huge PD even if they try their best.

if I Love Tehran wins the title, his participation in the tournament will always be discussed

I really don't expect him to win B3 title unless VS gives him up B3 final as well :-D

just like BC Hostivar two seasons ago..

I think it's really different story.


Last edited by rwystyrk at 9/27/2011 8:37:32 AM

I think you are a bit off with the walkover significance in "I Love Tehrans" conference win in season 16. You have to take account also the point difference. Without the walkover he would still have +41 point difference to spend (for that 1-st spot in his conference). We can't say for sure he would of lost to VS by 21+ and we can't say how would the rest of the games be effected by a loss in that game for "I Love Tehran". We can only assume he would of lost by 26 (looking at the second finals game, where both were trying to win with the best lineup). But we all know, that games have different outcomes, due to luck, GS and entusiasm at the time.
I agree that VS deliberately lost in the finals, it's obvious... Should this behaviour be punished? I think it should, but it's for the GM's and BB's to decide.

there's no difference between these cases i guess..

There's a big difference, indeed. We all know Toro's history, and we all know that now the team doesn't exist anymore.

I agree that VS deliberately lost in the finals, it's obvious... Should this behaviour be punished? I think it should, but it's for the GM's and BB's to decide.

we don't do it now, and i more then sure that we wouldn't charge such cases in the future.

Rwystyrk already pointed out, why you not playing everytime with your primary and ebst lineup. Then stuff like WO are quite often also mistakes(for example Laim semi final loss? Should he get punished for this manipulation of the championship?).

Then you also have weird tactics, which could manipulate games enough to make it happen etc. I don#t want to controlle, if tactical decision of managers makes sense, and punish them even more if they make faults.(and he got punish every week for the lost final already)

It's "beautiful" to see how BBB lost every kind his original spirit,it was thought to esatbilishing who is the best manager in the world....actually is only about money and luck about injuries...

Salary bills as B3 playoff deadline has passed:

$ 1 493 284 Venomous Scorpions
$ 1 413 470 羌人之队
$ 1 203 988 I Love Tehran - injuries are not shown duing match
$ 1 158 409 BC Hostivař - 155k PF sold after round1
$ 1 115 116 KK Kremče - C 206k C 1 week inj
$ 1 064 129 The Bouncing Camels
$ 1 040 772 Yuen Long Archon
$ 1 004 299 BC RV
$ 995 375 Wu-Tang-Clan
$ 990 391 Nitra Corgons
$ 985 543 Philosopher Kings - 69k PG 1 week inj
$ 980 779 S.W.A.T.
$ 978 902 Plastika
$ 972 470 ChaSiewPau- PG 143k for sale after round1, PG 118k 2 weeks inj
$ 939 784 Toruńskie Anioły
$ 937 598 WA IS A DUMP
$ 935 148 WKS Lakers
$ 915 863 FC Tenakha
$ 905 291 Secret Agents
$ 879 948 Los Dragones
$ 858 920 Massendefekt 67
$ 857 421 Silverbacks
$ 835 384 Lake Merritt Arrows
$ 825 206 Penco SeaHorses
$ 824 578 Juanito Caminante
$ 823 407 Bagkur Idmanyurdu
$ 818 275 Thrylos BC - PF 80k 1 week inj
$ 782 833 Hard Work
$ 756 587 Rosomaki NS - SG 88k 2 weeks inj
$ 752 444 Broken Roses - SG 108k for sale today
$ 732 805 GEMIDZII Veles
$ 528 346 veteranos PR