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a thing with the autobidding system which wonders me all the time, that it is always discussed and suggested coexisting to the current bidding system.

Personally i think both system have their advantages and disadvantages(bidwars are sometimes fun for me), but i don't think that it would be fun for me to bid against the "system" where i know that it won't forget to bid and none of my trys to win a bid war through the placing time of a bid might work.

Another point who might play a role here, are the money gained by ads during a bit war with non supporters.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/21/2011 2:02:58 AM

in this case the auto bid is useless, and you should go for bidding the amount you like to py for early.

But if it isn't considered as fun to bid against a bot, there is imho no way of coexistenting of both. And as i said i think both system have there ups and downs.

But i dont know if i think a new bid system is needed.

i don't have a favourtie system too, so i would say stay with the old one without investing time creating the new system.

I've already answered the point you have raised.

First, the auto-bids are the ones that are first executed, and are executed "fast". no need to wait and see how it raises.
It goes until the last bid each auto-bid can set.

Then, the online users can fight their bid-wars.
More presicely, they have the advantage to put their bid in the first one and an half minutes prior of the auto-bids "last-bid".

It gives answer to both options.

Again, there is no reason to give an advantage to those who can play it whenever they can, and by that chasing away all others that are the majority of users.
Playing whenever you can does not define you as a better BB manager.

so you like to put always a bid, and every 30s comes a new one by the system, which never forget to bid etc? I don't like that, and i believe i am not the only one. For me that isn't a answer, for me that would be just a chicane because 30s waiting would be frustrating me.
I don't say that autobid is bad, but i really doubt that both could co exist in a funny way.

And i also think a lot of player here are still able to buy players they want ;)

I didn't understood what you've meant...

I'll try and give an example (that I think I've already gave...).

Two users sets and auto-bid for an auction that will start at 00:00.
They will set their bids to 5K and not more than 100K (the same for both).

Let's say that each bid should be with 5K from the previous bid, just for convenient.

The auction starts.
At 00:00 the system calculates who should get the last bid between the auto-biders.
Let's say that it is user-A, and this means that the current bid is 95K.

Now the bid-war is free to all.
In case a user put it's bid before 00:01:30, then the auto-bid is over, and the auction is only against the online bidders (unless another user will put a new auto-bid).
Let's say no one had put a new bid until that time, so now it is user-B turn to put its last bid (100K).

Another suggestion that could be added to satisfy the online biders (although I think that there is no reason to do so, as the game is BB managing, as I already wrote) is to define half of the auctions to allow auto-bids and the other half not...

Again, I believe that this game is not about live auctions but about BB managing.
As such, an auto-bid system is an necessity, and in my opinion all auction should be such.

We understood your point about 25 posts ago. Mind understanding ours?

You try to set up a completely different bidding / auctioning system, and while it is not a completely uninteresting concept, you still fail to convince even the majority in the thread. It´s a completely different approach with pros and contras. And while the new system might be interesting to some degree, it fails to be a clear "advantage" over the old one. So why bothering with such a huge change when the "new system" is only different, but not flat out better?

1) As I've wrote, I didn't understood your previous message, so how could I relate to it?
And besides that, yours POV also had been written (much) more than once.

2) I will guess that the majority who uses the forum are those who have time...
So, majority here does not play a part.
Regardless to that, the results are very close - 20 against, 17 in favor (6 of them finding it less important then other things).
Moreover, as this system is unfair to those who has much less time, we cannot say how many users left the game due to that.

3) As I've wrote, setting half the auctions to allow auto-bids gives both sides an answer to their favor auction type.

4) Basically your saying -
I'm in favor of A.
Currently the auction is defined to be A, and there is no advantage of one over the other.
So let's keep with my favor auction system - A...
Doesn't sounds right or fair...

5) When setting only auto-bid system, the online user could go to bid-war from the last auto-bid.
As you said once (and I didn't agree), "it is all about wanting a player, the price is not an issue" (something not far from this), so you can continue the bid-war from that point with no pros...

Last edited by Pini פיני at 10/21/2011 11:43:54 AM

Again, there is no reason to give an advantage to those who can play it whenever they can, and by that chasing away all others that are the majority of users.

Giving advantage to those who are willing to spend some time is IMO actually a pretty good approach. And in no way does the transfer list system chase away the majority of users. There is a good supply of most types of players at almost any given time. Either you can find a good player that has his deadline closing when you are online, or you can check for players three days in advance. You can go into bid war right away, or plan ahead for the next time you log in. Doesn't sound too hostile against the majority to me.

For the absolute top teams, or for managers that want something really special, the market is of course harder to play. I see no issue with the really top talent being difficult to find and get. I am not sure if getting the top talent would on average get easier with auto-bidding. On the other hand, I am quite sure that the be-online-or-pay-what-you-have approach at least adds one element over the just-bid-your-highest approach of auto-bidding.

Let's get back to the majority of users here. What usually helps keep them in the game is keeping things simple. In BuzzerBeater's transfer market simplicity rules. All bids are final, and you bid what you want to pay. Any change to this system would only make things more complicated. You can argue that an auto-bid system is not that difficult and you would be right saying so. But it would still be more complicated than the current system. Taking that step would require some clear improvement, which I don't believe has been demonstrated with this suggestion (or the countless identical ones before this). There are opinions and preferences, yes, but these are not very factual.

Of course, I too have "lost" very good players (some highly unique even) because I was not online when the bidding ended. Tough luck I say. And I will never know if auto-bidding would actually have won me any of those "lost" players.