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I am just echoing what someone else said earlier but the problem with SB isn't that it isn't a good skill, it is that the salary formula punished you for having it.

Compate thses three players and tell me which you would rather have.

Player one
All secondaries respectable, all primaries (IS, ID, RE and SB) wondrous.
Salary $114,184.

Player two
All secondaries respectable, all primaries except SB (IS, ID and RE) wondrous, SB atrocious.
Salary $52,292.

Player three
All secondaries respectable, all primaries except SB (IS, ID and RE) prodigious, SB atrocious.
Salary $108,668.

I would think that player two was trivially worse than player one at less than half the cost. It's a no brainer. As for player three, wow, that would be a fantastic big man for the cost. I guess I would like better secondaries because of how cost effective they are but overall he would be brilliant.

Anyone want player #1?

I can give you prove of the other way around:

here is my PF
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/8050964/overview.aspx

i wont go into detail in terms of skills cause I know Soulhunter is crouching around somewhere. But he has pretty good SB, is the best Blocker of the league in the last 4 seasons. look at his ratings, usually the best in the league on season scale.

I know he can pretty much compete with the national PF, which he happened to play a couple of times during his career
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/6742609/overview.aspx

his salary is 160k higher than that of my player, the quality gap is fairly little. Although not knowing for sure, I suspect the quality of my player concerning the ratings due to a advantage in shotblocking.

There are other big men in my league with a comparable salary, but not with comparable ratings. this dude here is full 3,4 rating points behind while having the exact same salary:
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/9849010/overview.aspx

So, SB might not be something that pushes special stats enormously, but it pushes everything else and probably gives you a bonus on team defense, at least inside. But thats just my personal view.

Pfft. Coward ... but guess I´ll have to beef up MY PF a bit now ... ;)

Well, I didn't think their was any arguement that player #1 is better than player #2, because he is, and by a landslide, player #2 is unuseable in a zone defense(and really on defense in general in my opinion).

#1 isn't more cost effective, but that is as you said that is a product of how Big men's salary are calculated, to have a reasonable salary it is in your best interest to have one skill that is way behind the others. In most cases I would prefer to have that lagging skill be IS, if you let SB lag then there isn't a ton of point in bothering to train that ID up anyways.

True, but look at this (174881.1). I came across with this by chance when browsing forums. Especially the part : "SB- dont train" and "low SB will be accepted, high SB is (just) bonus. Advise for all managers who train players for USA NTs. I dont, however, think that you're the only country advising people like that, propably most countries' NT-managers still say that. I'm pretty sure Finland's too (which is something Im gonna talk about in the next Nt-election).
My point is that very few managers in BB world yet "believe in shotblocking" so to say. Since there seems to be many of us discussing in this thread who do believe, maybe opening a thread for the matter in national forums wouldnt be a bad idea if you're interested in making a difference...
rubbercube

Last edited by rubbercube at 1/5/2012 6:56:39 PM

Well, different communities often try / follow different paths. IIRC Italian NT tried to get along without high Driving Skills for some time, as far as I know without any real success. Maybe some NT coaches (Josef, Crazy?) can give us some insight in the strategies of the past there?

Yeah, those make me sad:(, they need to be updated in my opinion and I've changed the advice I give to all of my own trainers, and hopefully we will see it pay off in a couple of seasons.

hopefully we will see it pay off in a couple of seasons.

Yep, changes like this always take sooo long, but then we'lll enjoy the results better and longer :)

One of the players in my Federation was training a big man for a NT. They wanted weekly reports on the progress of the players. One week he sent in a report like this>

12/30/2011 Shot Blocking for C

Future U21guy ↑popped↑ in Shot Blocking from respectable to strong .

He got back a message like this:

WHAT!!! DO NO EVER TRAIN SB AGAIN IT IS THE MOST USELESS SKILL IN THE GAME!!!!

That was from a NT coach!

Last edited by yodabig at 1/5/2012 8:35:31 PM

What was his response to the NT manager saying that? haha

Average. Depends on what position. I've put something similar on the up&coming forum.

Defensive PF: 8-10
Attacking PF: 5-7
Defensive C: 9-14
Attacking C: 7-8

Wouldn't be able to do guards as I have never trained them.

I do not think I would react wuite like that, but I somewhat agree with that manager. I agree on not training SB, however I realize it is not useless, just not worth it.