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I'm sure the admins will look at all this, and see how things develop, and make changes as necessary. I think this is a great idea, and another example of why it didn't take me too long on this site before becoming a supporter. Excellent anticipation of the needs of newer players.

Hi all,
Thanks for this thread -- it's good to see how people are responding to the transfer list.
I wanted to make a couple clarifications, though, based on what I've read here.

1) Players are binned on the information that is listed (age, potential, expected position, and top relevant skill). We have found that these four factors have the biggest effect on the transfer price, so they were used.

2) Secondary skills are taken into account: That is, within a bin, your player is compared to the most similar players with the same age, potential, position, and top skill. So, a bin might have 100 transfers in the range of $1k to $1000k, but the most similar few might be in the range of $500k - $700k. So, it's more than just the top skill.

3) The data that is given is purely based on previous transfers. So, by definition it isn't going to undervalue allstar potential players, or condemn over-30 players -- it only shows what the market thinks of them.

4) Because of the minimal data we have available, some players will have very wide price ranges. Our model is intended to give as much information as is possible -- for some players, it is just impossible to give too much info. So, if the price estimator works well for 50% of players, and doesn't work well for the other 50%, then it's still very useful -- just ignore it for the latter 50%.

5) The tool will get better over time, as more and more transfers are made. We only look at the most recent few weeks, but as the game grows, the tool will get better and better.

I hope this helps explain the most common concerns I've seen in this thread. Keep the discussion going, though, and I'll check back every so often.

Cheers!

I found a funny example too:

(2988307)

$ 1 050 000 to $ 1 200 000, for this player? seriously? give me two of them in that case.

this label is just completely out of proportion, a player like that, 19 years old and with all those skills would go for at least the double, on a bad market day

Thanks for the clarification.

Could you also confirm us that this new tool will not ultimately (in the short or long run)be used to determine the "market rate" of a player but will just remain an indication to help managers? (It is against BuzzerBeater rules to bid above market rates on a player)

LA-André example is great and illustrates my concern. This player is worth much more than what mentioned, so if this tool would one day become a way to measure the "market rate" would it mean that the manager who sold him would only receive 1.2 million? (since the bid was above market rate...)

Last edited by johny13 at 6/2/2008 1:51:47 PM

Two points:

1) Yes, this is only an indicator of market rates. GMs will look at all cases individually, and will never use this as part of an automated banning tool (but it will certainly help them find problem cases).

2) With this player in particular, it says "Alpsagun Yesevi is probably better than all 7 of these players, but the few that are most similar have been selling for around $ 1 050 000 to $ 1 200 000." So, it's essentially say that this player won't sell for less than $1.2M. That's the best info we have on him -- his secondary skills are plentiful and all very strong, (see, i told you secondaries were taken into account :-)) so it thinks he's better than all the other players with the same Prominent JS and Allstar Potential for 19 year olds.

Last edited by BB-Mark at 6/2/2008 4:21:01 PM

Alpsagun Yesevi is probably better than all 7 of these players, but the few that are most similar have been selling for around $ 1 050 000 to $ 1 200 000

:)

probably,it should say 10x

Just kidding,the tool is very inaccurate

Just kidding,the tool is very inaccurate

It's not meant to be pinpoint accurate.

Well if you saw that Turkish player,you can say that it is very very very inaccurate,I have some cases in my team as well...
And of course,i didnt even meant it to be totally accurate,but 1.2 mil for that guy,come on

Well if you saw that Turkish player,you can say that it is very very very inaccurate,I have some cases in my team as well...
And of course,i didnt even meant it to be totally accurate,but 1.2 mil for that guy,come on

Im surprised he even got a valuation.... i wouldve expected to see not many players similar to _____ have been transferred recently.

They are the really special ones!

I might be able to scrape together 1.2 for him if he gets relisted!

It seems that people are not grasping what this feature does. It looks at players with similar skills to the player in question and then sets a range based on the transfers that have gone before. If some GM sold a very good player for a ridiculously low price because he didn't know better and some greedy daytrader sold a similar player for a ridiculously high price then the range would reflect that. After another three seasons, I highly doubt you will see such large discrepancies.

I have noticed that most complaints about this game are that there is not enough clear cut information as to how things work. Why should there be? I think the random factor of this game is part of its charm. Why shoud there be any set-in-stone training speed rates? Why should there be an exact transfer range?


People should be willing to think for themselves just a bit and make some decisions based on their own judgements, insights, and feelings. If they can't or don't want to do that, maybe they should go play with a calculator instead.

I have noticed that most complaints about this game are that there is not enough clear cut information as to how things work. Why should there be? I think the random factor of this game is part of its charm. Why shoud there be any set-in-stone training speed rates? Why should there be an exact transfer range?


People should be willing to think for themselves just a bit and make some decisions based on their own judgements, insights, and feelings. If they can't or don't want to do that, maybe they should go play with a calculator instead.

Not quite sure why this was directed at me! Never the less... the inclusion of a transfer compare feature actually REDUCES the need to think for yourself. The decision as to buy or sell can be confined to deciding a) if you think the player is fairly valued and b) do you want to pay the price.

I'm not expecting miracles and a pre-set price for each player however I will stand by my point that no-one rushes into the transfer market and makes their first 1million purchase without doing some research so why is a transfer compare necessary at all?

The sheep that follow this are basically 'not willing to think for themselves' because they are assuming that just because 8 players sold for a similar price over the last few weeks they can justify the purchase they are considering or the price they are listing for. This means you are simply accepting the communities average valuation based on the perceived value of each skill without knowing the formula for how each skill is used in the game engine.

You as you confess have chosen to go down the build up your initial squad and keep each player nice and rounded. Now as a community we have already started to value these type of players... but based on what? best guessing.

Are we right to value the players as we do? Most transfers at the moment are guesswork based on what we think or believe not facts. If we have more facts then the ranges can be more defined so I guess the wide ranges are fine for now...

I just prefer for people to think outside the box... and this in my opinion will not encourage it.