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Date: 4/1/2009 3:31:47 PM
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Principles may be right but the formula is surely wrong because it doesn't count with sublevels of skills.
This doesn't make it wrong. It just makes the margin of error a little higher. The main point there was that position does affect how salary is calculated, and the work done offers a pretty conclusive proof.

Most importantly it has nothing to do with how cap works.
Of course it doesn't. This was an answer to the question someone asked about whether the best position affects the way salaries are calculated.

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Date: 4/1/2009 3:47:59 PM
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Then answer to the asker.

No, that makes it wrong as a formula (look how it looks like). It is good for estimation and maybe simulates salaries pretty well but it is surely completely different from the real formula which is used.

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Date: 4/1/2009 3:55:15 PM
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Then answer to the asker.
I did. You then showed up to question the answer, so I addressed your retort. That's how public discussion typically operates.

No, that makes it wrong as a formula (look how it looks like).
No, it actually doesn't. It makes the calculated coefficients less precise, but has no bearing on the actual model used.

It is good for estimation and maybe simulates salaries pretty well but it is surely completely different from the real formula which is used.
Maybe it is or maybe it isn't -- we'll never know. But since we're only looking to predict the influence of skills on salary, we're only interested in how the input (skills) influences the output (salary), and not really in what happens in between. It's called the "Black Box" method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box_testing).

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Date: 4/5/2009 10:57:55 AM
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Then answer to the asker.

No, that makes it wrong as a formula (look how it looks like). It is good for estimation and maybe simulates salaries pretty well but it is surely completely different from the real formula which is used.


but the final results are pretty good, and this seems to make it reasonable that ID is predited another way for a center then for a PG elsse you would notice the difference in their salary.

I have this salary formula in a excel sheet, and i noticed many NT candidates in it the last season and even the position switched only appearing when the salary is pretty close to another - so you use mostly the highest salary to determine the position.

And the same goes for the cap, which seems to depending on Position too - because Centers with low secondary(or tertiary Skills), reach their cap on a similiar level then guys with good secondary and tertiary skills. I don't expect that the potential formula is similiar to the cap formular, but they ain't totally different.

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Date: 4/5/2009 11:09:54 AM
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And the same goes for the cap, which seems to depending on Position too - because Centers with low secondary(or tertiary Skills), reach their cap on a similar level then guys with good secondary and tertiary skills. I don't expect that the potential formula is similar to the cap formula, but they ain't totally different.

I hear ppl saying the allstar centers are hitting the cap at 50k salary and some say 100k. If they all hit it at the same level, what level is it then?

/Mannen
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I hear ppl saying the allstar centers are hitting the cap at 50k salary and some say 100k. If they all hit it at the same level, what level is it then?


it is an soft cap, and after 50k the training is pretty slow but you don't need lot of Skillups to raise the salary the next 50k ;) So the question is, at which training speed you are hitting the cap, if you going for the first slow down in training i would go also for a lower salary with pretty low impact of training speed.

And the other point is, the salary and potential cap aren't the same formulas in my eyes, because centers with blocking seems to slow downwith a lower salary then the one's without it - but thats only theory maybe it is proven wrong.