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164855.4 in reply to 164855.3
Date: 11/25/2010 7:37:53 PM
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I think it's no point having good driving if inside scoring is atrocious.

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Date: 11/26/2010 1:16:41 AM
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I think it's no point having good driving if inside scoring is atrocious.


I'm playing in 3rd league against teams with salaries averaging around 12k - 18k and I have two guards with Proficient Driving and Pitiful Inside shot. When they have proficient game shape, they hit something like 50-70% of layups (depends also on the passing ability of assistman if they don't make their own shot and on the defender's ability to...well, defend).

So I think Inside shot doesn't affect Driving skill as much as a lot of people believe.

I also have two trainees with good starting skills in Driving and Inside shot and when they both get some pops in both skills, I will confront them to the other two guards mentioned here and have a better answer.

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Date: 11/26/2010 2:49:58 AM
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Surely you want closer to 90% of layups going down. For that you will need some inside scoring, quite a bit of it I think. I have a similar player with respectable IS and he still misses a lot of layups.

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Date: 11/26/2010 6:16:01 AM
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My PG.

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: strong
Driving: proficient Passing: prominent
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: inept ↑ Free Throw: average

When I was div III he always drove to basket when I played LI (when I wanted him to pass) and got a fair few in.
These days the defence is too high so he misses anyway. x(
I think the driving is worth it and my PG deserves some IS so he can be a PG/SG/SF.

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
From: pmfg10

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Date: 11/26/2010 11:55:49 AM
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Go watch Joe Bronson of the US playing look inside with his 2 IS then talk to me.

Last edited by pmfg10 at 11/26/2010 1:07:50 PM

From: Koperboy

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Date: 11/26/2010 12:24:25 PM
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Why, what's so special about him? In two Look inside games, he dishes out 3 and 6 assists and you call him a PG? And don't look at his league statistics either, he's in a team where other players' salaries combined is less than half his salary. BB calls him a PG because his OD is so busted and his passing skill is a bit more trained, but he's got a mediocre passing compared to other PGs in his salary range.

His passing is not good enough for a PG and his outside shooting is not good enough for SG...for me, that's an incomplete player, trained without any goal in mind. In LI, a good PG should have more assists than shots. If he takes more shots than makes assists, this means he's not suitable for LI and should play Run and Gun or something like that.

That shows me you don't have a clue what you are talking about, so first get some info and then talk to me.



Last edited by Koperboy at 11/26/2010 12:41:08 PM

From: pmfg10

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Date: 11/26/2010 12:55:45 PM
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I don't know what I'm talking about? LOL. He has 16 Passing and 13 in JR, definetely an incomplete player.
I'm talking about the NT games, he has 19 JS, 19 Driving and 2 IS and he shoots 6-19. So when you say that IS doesn't make a difference then YOU don't know what you're talking about.

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Date: 11/26/2010 1:46:12 PM
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Insider info on his skills? Woah, scandalous.
Hm, in all seriousness, if these skill values are completely accurate, then IS should have quite a bit more influence on layup ability than Koperboy suggested. We should probably withhold our judgment as to how much weight IS holds until the end of Koperboy's experiment, yes? Also, it would probably be better to perhaps watch the games and see which shots these players miss or make instead of basing it on box score alone. I would do it myself, but... I'd rather use my time on another aspect of life.

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Date: 11/26/2010 1:58:45 PM
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He was for sale some weeks ago.

From: iwen
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Date: 11/27/2010 12:12:18 AM
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I've never really noticed any connection between a players ability to make layups and dunks with atrocious IS. If atrocious IS really applied to layups, I'd expect to see no layups ever made, similar to atrocious passing or FT abilities. I tend to associate IS with the ability to post up in the paint.

My U21 guard has prodigious driving and has no trouble driving to the hoop for a layup.

My NT PF I play at SG and PG and he still misses layups against opposing guards.. Which shouldn't happen..

Just theories, we'll never really know.

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