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185937.4 in reply to 185937.2
Date: 5/27/2011 12:14:38 AM
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For me personally i like having a dominent inside game way more than an outside game cuz the inside players control much more

rebounding, interior D, interior O, getting to the line, etc.

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Date: 5/27/2011 12:59:02 AM
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The market has made it so that every good team - at least in the lower divisions - has a respectable inside game. The way to differentiate yourself is by having good guards. In this respect, I think the game is similar to the NBA. The Heat, C's and Lakers have all won championships recently with good but not great interior games while teams built around an inside game - the Magic and Spurs come to mind - have been knocked out in the early rounds. And no, Pau Gasol and Kevin Garnett are not elite big men.

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Date: 5/27/2011 4:38:57 AM
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Garnett not Elite? I believe also Nowitzki don't fall in this category?

And for me Orlando wasn't that unsuccesful(especially with Howards sidekicks), and your other example the Spurs won the regular season in the west and a lot of championship in the past years.

I think in the NBA you could find good example, for succesful big men and guards. But Guards won't be succesfull if the big men won't rebound, and big guys needs the guards to iniate the plays for them - and in BB i think the initialiasation of the plays is the more difficult job. But for me a balanced roster, is quite effective because superstar tactics work better in the NBA.

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Date: 5/27/2011 6:45:42 AM
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If you had to pick one is it better to have strong big men or strong guards?

Please note that one strong outside player costs the same as two strong inside players ;-)
So train guards and buy big men ;-)

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Date: 5/27/2011 8:19:36 AM
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Garnett not Elite? I believe also Nowitzki don't fall in this category?

And for me Orlando wasn't that unsuccesful(especially with Howards sidekicks), and your other example the Spurs won the regular season in the west and a lot of championship in the past years.


I realize this is off-topic, but watch game tape of Garnett and you'll see a player well past his prime. And Nowitzki's never been known for his low-post prowess. Even the Spurs in their heyday relied as much on Ginobili and Parker as they did on Duncan.

I'm pretty sure that Dwight Howard would disagree with your definition of success. He'll be wearing a different uniform after next season because his team can't win in the playoffs.

To win in this game and in the NBA, you need a combination of strong interior defense and guard play that is better than the rest of the league.

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Date: 5/27/2011 9:17:39 AM
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I realize this is off-topic, but watch game tape of Garnett and you'll see a player well past his prime. And Nowitzki's never been known for his low-post prowess.


but even when he isn't known for it, because he chooses very often not the classical low post moves - he lives from the feeds in the post. He isn't the dude, who get the ball at the 3 point line(and then mostly just to shoot it) or even in the own court and create his shot himself. he is also not really a genious passer, even when he understoods good to pass out of double teams(even when he struggles in that discipline against okc). So overall he get utilize at a post player, even when you could play pick and pop with him.

Even the Spurs in their heyday relied as much on Ginobili and Parker as they did on Duncan.



And kobe wasn't succesful without a scoring inside presence like Gasol or Shaq ;)

I'm pretty sure that Dwight Howard would disagree with your definition of success. He'll be wearing a different uniform after next season because his team can't win in the playoffs.


that mostly what i said, because those dude would struggle without him maybe comparable with the Cavs without Lebron(maybe not that extrem, but Lebron is actually the best player on the court even when i don't like him and his style of play)


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Date: 5/27/2011 9:28:27 AM
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well, i would like to have a monster defensive big man, and strong guards:)

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Date: 5/28/2011 12:49:30 AM
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And kobe wasn't succesful without a scoring inside presence like Gasol or Shaq ;)





Touche.

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Date: 5/28/2011 12:59:57 AM
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Do you follow the NBA much?

I'm wondering, if Pau and KG are NOT elite big men....who are?

I think if you are going to argue that the champion teams do not have great big men then you need to show some examples of teams that DO.

My knee jerk reaction is to say you are totally wrong and talking wtihout very much experience or knowledge about the NBA or basketball in general.


And your knee-jerk reaction is wrong. Watch Garnett play and you'll see a player whose knees are shot, reactions are slow. His best days are WAY behind him. Pau is the single biggest reason why the Lakers are no longer playing. He and Carlos Boozer are the most overrated big men in the league. There are 5 elite post players in the NBA: Howard, Griffin, Bosh, Nowitzki, and Stoudemire. Horford, Love, and Randolph aren't too far away. Everyone else is a clear step below.

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