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Ask Teams like Seattle, Golden State, Mnnesota, and Toronto how well the salary cap helps establishing competivity.

NBA is a very bad example how a Salary Cap and the draft system ensures competition. It -should- work but it doesn´t really. Salary Cap only really works if you have also a HIGH Floor active, so the margin of financial savings is so low you have no reason not to spend money.

Read any document including WIKI that explains what salary cap brings - The answer is competitiveness.
It is not for the fun sake...

Seatle had been at the NBA final about a decade ago, and had bery good years on that era.
Each team had rise and falls due to this system.
Much more than any other system.
On any other system, NY would have been the sole winner each year with their enormous market.

If you don't know the materia, and don't know what salary cap is all about (a basic BB-managing feature) than...

And once again, the NBA seeks a replacement for David Stern who had brought this system, and which is also used in most of the NBA professonal sports league, for this sole purpose of competitiveness.
You know better? You should set your contendence...

I really think we need to give it more time. Once the game matures a little more, there will be a variety of ages in the top divisions. It takes a while to climb up the ladder (keep it mind that I started in Season 2, then quit around Season 10 and now i'm back). It takes a while to build your arena, train a couple players, sell those players, buy better players, etc. I'd hope it would take 7 (for an excellent, lucky manager) to infinite (for managers who just are never good enough.)

The bbs have to strike a balance between making it impossible to stay in the top divisions (level of salaries needed to compete are higher than arena income, leading to a Hattrick like effect of making money in DII, then making a crash run at DI) and impossible to stay (top teams have a huge warchest, make tons of money each year.



totally other idea: is it possible you have the wrong causation? more age=more knowledge/experience=more success, rather than more age=more success? just throwing that out there.


I definitely agree with you that it is not ideal that most of the DI teams are older teams. However, I think we should be patient, and if in season 25 or 30, and most of the DI have been there for 15+seasons, we will have a problem.

Take a look at the following top divisions - France, Spain and Italy.
This nations has 1/4 of the all BB-nation, and does not have a single team who had joined later than season 4 in their top division (this had been checked at the end of season 17).
Nothing can explain that excpet a competitiveness problem.

Other nations that do have few of those are due to several main reasons:
1) Small BB-nation, not to many good BB-manager at the first seasons, some retired.
2) Teams from those first seasons had retired.
3) Teams got bored and tanked for realy using features like - training a draft player, etc.
etc...

There is a problem, and it is needed to be resolved.

Your knowledge is so superficial it hurts.

SEATTLE was in the finals 95/96 and stopped existing when the franchise moved to Oklahoma City in 2008. They shopped all their talent for saving money, stacked up some picks only to get sold. Part of the problem was the Salary Cap system (=soft cap, teams UNDER the cap get rewarded for not spending money by getting money from the teams in luxury tax land) used in the NBA. Funny enough the Thunder is competing now. With all the talent they got when they were sold. Happy Seattle.

Small market teams are MEANT to profit from the Salary Cap - that´s where your version of the truth ends. A Soft Cap as currently in the NBA without a high enough salary floor and even with financial benefits for lowballing on salaries in addition with EXTRA benefits via higher (and more valuable) draft picks ENCOURAGES teams in "low income" areas to tank until they get "the big ticket" (see also: Cleveland).

In addition, the way the CBA was structured over the last years and possibly as well as it is structured now, NBA is a huge "two class" society as it is now.

It´s a superstar league and it is MEANT to be a superstar league. There´s only so much teams who really "rise to the top", unless they get that Two or Three superstars needed to win it. NBA is no different from BBB. There´s a bunch of the "usual suspects", and maybe one or two "new, uprising teams" - just like in BBB.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 1/10/2012 4:45:53 PM

Does NY had won the NBA in the last 30 years? No, but they are huge market.
Have they been a contenters in the last seasons? No, for a very long time.

Did SA (a small market) got few trophies in the last couple of seasons? Yes.

Did Miami (a small market) are contenters? Yes they are.

Stop making things up to make your arguments stand for anything.

Salary cup is designed and used in most of the USA leagues for the sole purpose of competitiveness, and made those leagues what there are.
Salary cap had been one of the first things Stern had entered to the NBA when got the job as the commisioner.

WIKIPEDIA:

"In professional sports, a salary cap (or wage cap) is a cartel agreement between teams that places a limit on the amount of money that can be spent on player salaries. The limit exists as a per-player limit or a total limit for the team's roster, or both. Several sports leagues have implemented salary caps, both as a method of keeping overall costs down, and to ensure parity between teams so a wealthy team cannot entrench dominance by signing many more top players than their rivals. Salary caps can be a major issue in negotiations between league management and players' unions, and has been the focus point of several strikes by players and lockouts by owners and administrators"

And that summarizes all.

Oh, I've forgot...
The NBA (the most complex BB-managing league that this game had been designed upon), is not what this game needs to be look like.
The wikipedia (the Internet dictionary) is not where we need to look for definitions.
Unless it suites few users...

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/10/2012 4:53:33 PM

Miami is by no means a small market team.

For every time you mention NY, I mention Los Angeles. How many titles have won Memphis, OKC, Charlotte, Toronto and Minnesota COMBINED while the LA Lakers won their last let´s say ... 5 Trophies?

Salary Cap as designed and used in the NBA doens´t work in terms of competivity.

In NFL, salary cap works to some degree, in NBA, salary cap (and luxury tax) is nothing but a mess. Your oh so praised competivity of NBA is no different from what´s going on in the BBB.

You´re points have been proven VOID.