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i was training signle pozition OD and PA, and yes you can get 12 pops per seazon. i got 15 with 19 year old 6.0 height lvl 4 coach. It isnt the most perfect idea, since in the final rezult you lose like 2-3skill pops per 4 seazons due to elastic effect. But money and wins-wise its really good. if player can defend you can win league with that. Atm im in league 4 and havent trained 2 seazons jump shot:D not planning to train this year. getting 15-16 OD and 15 Pa this year and 8-9 IS. Those kind of players can run LI very efficient and they doesnt cost toomuch salary. Btw i got 10-11 driving and handling without training, so it isnt so bad, and on the plans ill maybe train it if my players wont be capped after JS training.

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 2/12/2012 2:52:16 AM

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: prodigious Handling: sensational
Driving: prominent Passing: prolific
Inside Shot: awful Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: respectable

This is a guy that I bought when he was 18 and trained him up - his starting point was similar to yours. He also is of allstar potential and I was able to train him up to this level midway through his 4th training year.
He still serves me well.

Hmmm...Looks familiar ;)

1. i like to start with the defensiv skill with my trainee to, i maybe would start varying the training when he reach 10(prioritizing his biggest weaknesses). i am not a big fan of pure Pointguards, but i mostly play with two Comboguards or PG at my club. HI would train handling with 1 on 1, with could be a backup training when the minutes for 1 position training don't fit.

2. i think you won't make it. 12 pops are possible, but there are some slower trainings involved.

3. i am pretty sure about it, my third guard is also just an allstar and play well even on highest level -> (3165648)

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: prominent
Outside Def.: tremendous Handling: prolific
Driving: sensational Passing: tremendous
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: proficient Free Throw: marvelous

that how he is looking.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 2/13/2012 5:34:37 AM

I'd train his HA first (either with one position HA or 1 on 1) and then go to his OD and PA to counter elastic effect.

But you probably won't be able to get OD and PA to desired levels in this season.

1. I think it's great, but then I love defense. Train shooting at some point, but you can do that when he's 19 or 20.

2. Very, very doubtful. Let me share my own trainee, Dimas Conanan (for the record, I have had a level 5 trainer for him the whole time). DC started out with 7/7/7/6/5/3. I trained passing up 2 pops, then OD for the rest of the season and got it to 12. That's all I did (I got some cross-training HA/DR pops, but still on your goal I would have been short 3 passing pops). Even doing single-position passing and OD, there's no way you get 5 pops in each of those skills in only one season in my experience. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong which is very possible.

3. For the next few seasons and at your level, definitely. He can be a very good player even into D.III for certain. And if you get to a level where you need higher potential, you can sell him to a lower level team for a decent profit. I'd definitely hang on to him and train him.

I think he should change training every 1-2 weeks in order to avoid negative influence of the elastic effect. Anyway, most guard skills have cross training between each other.

I couldn't agree more, and you're right about the cross-training, but OD's cross-training pops are mostly in HA/DR, not PA, and in any case having trained both OD and passing for extended periods I can tell you that generally you're looking at about once every two weeks per pop. That two-week estimate seems consistent with just about every training diary I've read/heard of for an 18yo prospect. So no matter how you slice it, there's no way you get 5 OD pops + 5 passing pops = 10 total pops ≈ 20 weeks. Even if you get lucky and shave 5 weeks off that estimate, which is a quarter of the projected time, you still can't do it in a season. So that's why I said it's very very unlikely. The only time someone would train that fast is if you had a guy with like 20JR/20 passing (no such player exists, but let's just pretend for the sake of argument), in which case the elastic effect would bring it up super-quick, but for an 18yo the elastic effect can't possibly work strongly enough to shave a quarter of the time off that once every other week rate for 10 pops. Do you get what I'm saying?

I always feel I'm talking really repetitively in my posts, trying to articulate what I know in my head. So I apologize if I come across as incoherent or condescending; neither is intentional.

Don't worry. I'm pretty much a newbie repeating what I read.

Id expect to get 10 pops this season especially if you mix in the passing with pressure one position. One or two of these could be side pops (not od or pa)
Od is very important it can help keep your trainee on the court longer getting minutes if he is outclassed.
Also he plays at pg when passing training so higher od is better while he is doing that.
If your team lacks passing in general then keep the gap, between od and passing small on your trainees.

Dont underestimate the importance of outside shooting skills on pgs,as when under pressure they jack up way more shots. Having said that with his potential you won't want to take js and especially jr up too much as the other outside skills wil be more valuable for the extra salary they cost.
I liked the look of the earlier guard posted.
Impressive with his high reb that he can get such high outside skills. But note the lowish jr makes this possible

Enjoy training him he has a good starting skill set and can be a great player for you :)