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Italy inside scoring: wondrous (low) 14
Nederland inside defense strong (low) 8

14 - 8 = 6


Nederland outside scoring: prominent (low) 10
Italy outside defence: tremendous (low) 13

10 - 13 = -3


Italy rebounding: prominent (low) 10
Nederland rebounding: average (high) 6

10 - 6 = 4 (a little less)


Italy offensive flow: strong (medium) 8
Nederland offensive flow: respectable (high) 7


Effort can not justify this result!
Oherwise if the effort can justify this result .... you must say that team ratings are useless!!

Have a good day

Team ratings are well known as quite useless, but the MR are quite impressive too.
PG: +36.5 ITA
SG: +27.8 ITA
SF: +51.7 ITA
PF: +21.6 ITA
C: +42.9 ITA

I think there is no way in which this could be an acceptable loss but random, as shit, happens so... let's wait for better times
Random + CT/TIE is #1 in the World Ranking.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

In your opinion what are they concealing?

I was waiting for his answer... something like: "Team ratings are well known as quite useless"

I would have responded talking about MR ....

Ok effort, ok random, but i think that this match is outside of all logic.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

In your opinion what are they concealing?

Ratings, they played CT.
Ofc there is a bad luck for you in this game, but like everywhere, a batter team doesn't win every time..

Cheers!

Ok, it's shit
but I still think (in BB) it's ridiculous

Cheers

You're thinking it's ridiculous and you are right despite the usual attempts by Manon and others to defend indefensible blunders without any evidence.

Also for the guy who mentioned GSW@DEN and his supporters who voted him up:
GSW: EFF 123, GmSc 92.4 (EFF=Efficiency as measured in Buzzer-Manager, GmSc=Game Score one of Hollinger's stats)
DEN: EFF 160, GmSc 112.8
One can see why Denver won: +37 EFF and +20.4 GmSc, there is a massive positive difference in favour of Denver. If they replay that game 10 times, GSW may win every time, but the statistics of the specific games will reflect that. The problem with this game is that the statistics do not reflect the outcome because of gimmicks in the GE.

What happened here:
HOL: EFF 72, GmSc 41.3
ITA: EFF 103, GmSc 59
Holland -31 EFF and -17.7 GmSc. I've never seen a team in BB winning a game with -31 Efficiency, it should probably go in the record book. Note that EFF is used in Buzzer-Manager and it's not great, but it's very rare for a team to win with lower efficiency. GmSc is also not perfect but much more robust.

Want to look how a tight game would look in real life using these basic efficiency measures? DET 102 @ 101 TOR
DET EFF 106, GmSc 77.2
TOR EFF 112, GmSc 78.2
Toronto lost on a buzzerbeater 3 pointer with +6 EFF and +1 GmSc.

There is a reason why you won't find teams losing with +20 GmSc in real life. If you go through the play-by-play for this game and analyse it you will understand what happened. Count the number of possessions, break down how the fouls impacted the teams, check the referee's decisions, rebounds going out of bounds etc.

It seems to me the astrophysicist did a remarkably poor job in modelling Effort. Not only he boosted shooting beyond any recognition in the PP100 ratings (Holland got the highest shooting efficiency in the game from the SF spot which had the second lowest PP100 in the game at 57.7), but he also stacked possessions due to offensive fouls, referee decisions, rebounds ending out of bounds etc in favour of the team using more effort.

BBs: if you can't change the GE so that it's realistic and you want to keep using some gimmicks (9 rebounds ending out of bounds for Italy, really?, offensive fouls 5-0 to Italy when the total foul count without the intentional fouls was 15-20, really?) at least give us some meaningful ratings. Or remove them altogether.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/14/2017 6:02:16 PM

If you just use the ratings the way you did here (selectively if anything) then you could assume that the multiplication effects of efforts kill your advantage pretty quickly. Assuming CT is 1.20 and TIE is 0.80 (too lazy to google forums) then
inside scoring = 11 to 9.5
outside scoring = 10.5 to 12
rebounding = 8 to 7
game flow = 8 to 7

Italy by 2 in that case. And that doesn't even include how the actual performance of each individual player is effected by game strategy, position and game shop.

This isn't like the 76ers beating GSW in 7 but more like Twolves beating GSW when Kerr was out with back spasms and Curry was more interested in dancing on the sidelines. Tactic just beat mono-monsters (Come on - Thib can outcoach a Kerr on pain meds any day!)

Last edited by Randy Maus at 2/14/2017 3:21:39 PM