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Thank you Gully, js8 and jamesc1 really appreciate it.

Say you have an exceptional trainer or above. For a U21 ID, IS and RB at 13 min etc.. how long does it take to then move that player into the NT. That is if the player is good enough as DR and JS would need to be worked on. If you had a PF how much OD would you train them up to have for the NT?

There's a few things that affect how quickly a player will improve such as starting skills, the height of the player and as you mentioned the skill of the trainer. There are various programmes that can calculate how long it'll roughly take however, to make a player possible of being a national team regular, there potential will need to be at least MVP otherwise they'll cap and then you can improve skills such as DR, JS, SB and OD.

Ok, can you mention which programmes they are please or Mail me them if possible.

Is there any overlap with ID/OD and SB. For example if you have a 16-20 defensive player but with low SB of around 4-8. Do they block just as many shots because of their defensive skill as a player with a defensive skill of around 10 but with 10+ SB.
Obviously a player who can block shots is important but would have thought that would have come under ID/SB in some way or another?

Say you have an exceptional trainer or above. For a U21 ID, IS and RB at 13 min etc.. how long does it take to then move that player into the NT. That is if the player is good enough as DR and JS would need to be worked on. If you had a PF how much OD would you train them up to have for the NT?

It would take roughly 2-3 seasons just for the inside skills, and that's ignoring SB. Economically its probably better to have two skills higher than the others, otherwise the player becomes very expensive. Some would argue you should leave one skills much lower but I'm not especially in favour of that.

Generally its rare to see young players on NTs. Our youngest is Big Mac MacAusland, who has actually been on the NT for several seasons. He's a freak however.

A much usual progression is that of Robert Osman who plays for Tatatallfellas in the EBBL. He could be on the NT now at 25 (he isn't because he played for a bot earlier in the season so had poor game shape) and indeed he was last season but he still needed some training to be the equal of our other big men. From that I think we can generalise that it takes about 3-5 seasons to train a player from u21 to NT. Of course there will always be exceptions. Some players have very high starting skill counts.

For OD, I see I've put 7 as the requirement on the NT page. I'm not entirely happy saying that, I regard it as the minimum really for a PF, even at league level. I'd much prefer at least 10, but the taller the player the more difficult it is to train OD. (Normally the taller the player the more suited he is to C rather than PF for this reason.)

Ok, can you mention which programmes they are please or Mail me them if possible.

yes, I'll mail them to you.

Is there any overlap with ID/OD and SB. For example if you have a 16-20 defensive player but with low SB of around 4-8. Do they block just as many shots because of their defensive skill as a player with a defensive skill of around 10 but with 10+ SB.

Obviously SB and ID do work together a bit but say a player who had 12 ID and 12 SB was compared to a player of 16 ID and 8 SB, I'd imagine the 12 SB player were to block more.
Using my players as a reference, one of my players has 14 ID and 8 SB and another has 16 ID and 7 SB, my player with the higher SB blocks more shots despite having lower ID.

Unusual post for me. Anyone who might have an interest in a 27yo English SF, who will probably be on sale before the end of the season, get in touch.

We've not had a season worth celebrating at all, but we could still qualify today, which would be better than the alternative. Obviously we need to beat Pakistan, which is the only thing we can control.

We also need a few other things to happen in a variety of games. To finish 32nd we need to pass five teams above us. The teams on 4-3 we will pass if they lose. 5-2 teams would need to lose by enough points that we can have higher PD. We also need the 4-3 teams below us not to win by too much more than us.

Some games have already been played. Its just after 2pm and already two 4-3 teams have lost. Poland and Hungary. We will pass them if we win. So just three more.

Andorra, one of the 5-2 teams have lost to go to 5-3. Their PD is now 66. Ours is 56. The maths is obvious there. Bulgaria also lost. Their PD is now 85. I like that maths less.

I hope to update this before our game at 6pm.

Last edited by Gully Foyle at 3/23/2015 10:28:31 AM

Israel lost by 31 to put their PD down to 66, coincidentally the same as Andorra's.

There's a few games to go before ours so maybe there'll be more good news before we play.

awesome

Russia have dropped to 4-4, losing to Macedonia.

Greece have lost to Holland and dropped their PD in the process to 85, the same as Bulgaria. (Teams seem to be pairing up)

With us 23 up at half time it looks promising though not definite. Garbage time could effect us negatively.