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From: kuki29
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14900.41 in reply to 14900.40
Date: 2/11/2008 1:20:31 PM
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when you lose with your club and you now you are better is bad, but if you lose with NT and your ratings are much better than other NT ratings it's frustrating. How can u lose rebounds if your ratings are mediocre (high), and his inept (medium)?

Team ratings for
Hrvatska

Offensive Strategy: Run and Gun
Defensive Strategy: 2-3 Zone

Outside Scoring: respectable (low)
Inside Scoring: inept (medium)
Perimeter Defense: mediocre (low)
Inside Defense: mediocre (high)
Rebounding: mediocre (high)
Offensive Flow: inept (high)
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Team ratings for NZ

Offensive Strategy: Look Inside
Defensive Strategy: 3-2 Zone

Outside Scoring: inept (low)
Inside Scoring: mediocre (high)
Perimeter Defense: inept (high)
Inside Defense: inept (medium)
Rebounding: inept (medium)
Offensive Flow: awful (high)

vječna dilema, da li je bolje zabiti koš više ili primiti koš manje?
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14900.42 in reply to 14900.41
Date: 2/11/2008 1:22:14 PM
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You missed 65 shots, he only missed about 40, since defensive rebounds are easier to catch he will most likely have more rebounds because you missed 25 more shots.

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14900.43 in reply to 14900.42
Date: 2/11/2008 1:25:17 PM
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yes my players missed 65 shots with ratings respectable vs his inept defence. very nice. and he scored 5-10 for 3 points when my outside def is higher than his outside scoring

vječna dilema, da li je bolje zabiti koš više ili primiti koš manje?
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14900.44 in reply to 14900.43
Date: 2/11/2008 1:59:28 PM
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yes my players missed 65 shots with ratings respectable vs his inept defence. very nice. and he scored 5-10 for 3 points when my outside def is higher than his outside scoring


once again, the tactics are the key

65 missed shots with run&gun against a 3-2 zone
5/10 3-pointers against a 2-3 zone

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Date: 2/11/2008 2:08:52 PM
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once again, the tactics are the key

65 missed shots with run&gun against a 3-2 zone
5/10 3-pointers against a 2-3 zone


u can't score 5-10 for 3 points when your attack is worse than my outside def, beside my tactics. also his tactics was look inside
this game I should win with 20 - 30 points

vječna dilema, da li je bolje zabiti koš više ili primiti koš manje?
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Date: 2/11/2008 6:36:12 PM
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once again, the tactics are the key


yes u are right tactics are important. but u r looking only in one direction.
the oppenent played look inside versus his 2-3 Zone. Defense is perfectly set.

sorry but I see no reasonable answer why croatia lost...

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14900.47 in reply to 14900.46
Date: 2/11/2008 7:03:22 PM
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yes u are right tactics are important. but u r looking only in one direction.
the oppenent played look inside versus his 2-3 Zone. Defense is perfectly set.

sorry but I see no reasonable answer why croatia lost...


of course. i'm not saying the tactic he chose was wrong, but it explains the high percentage his opponent had for the few (only 10) 3 pointers he shot

Last edited by mark_lenders at 2/11/2008 7:03:44 PM

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14900.48 in reply to 14900.47
Date: 2/11/2008 7:14:38 PM
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no it does not.

50% is really really good for 3 pt shots.

one team is shooting 50% with inept (low) outside scoring against mediocre(low) outs deff

the oppenent team is shooting less than 33% with respectable(low) outs. scoring vs inept(high) outs. deff

sure it is a lot more difficult to take 47 3pt shots compared to 10 but i think the difference in those ratings is HUGE



- secondly look at the inside def of croatia and the great inside shooting by new zealand

- thirdly for both, outs. and inside scoring look at the offensive flow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Last edited by Huzzel at 2/11/2008 7:16:35 PM

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Date: 2/11/2008 7:48:27 PM
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The ratings only tell you about the oppertunity's your players' got. So your players got a lot of open shots, due to your respectable vs inept offence, but still they are not skilled enough to hit those 3-point shots, that's why you lose.

Your team just is not skilled enough to play a fast paced outside focus offense, your team has been beaten because of their bad shooting percentage, which is a direct result of the wrong tactic choice.

So you can 'bitch' at the match engine whatever you want, but if you choose the wrong tactic, which do not fit your team, you will lose. Which is explained very well in the rules as well.

So don't blame a wrong tactic chioce (don't only look at ratings) to the match engine.

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14900.50 in reply to 14900.41
Date: 2/12/2008 4:23:51 AM
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I belive that team ratings are wrong here... as well as matchup Ratings...

The box score shows that NZ had 43/89 FG= 48.31% and from their rating below, it does not seem to be the true...
Matchup Ratings
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 74.3
as SG 59.0
as SF 93.1
as PF 107.8
as C 63.7 TOTAL 397,9........... 397,9/5/2 = 39,79%FG


The box score shows that CROATIA had 39/104 FG= 37.5%
Matchup Ratings for Croatia
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 87.2
as SG 96.7
as SF 98.7
as PF 114.9
as C 127.8 TOTAL 525,3.......... 525,3/5/2 = 52,53%

So, both Matchup Ratings and Team Ratings might be showing opponents statistic, instead their... that is my guess...
Anyone who have more time could check this by finding out percentage of PG-s individualy, SG-s individualy...etc... and then compare it to those numbers...

P.S. I did not include FT attempts in this estimation (since i dont know if it is calculated in Position Points per 100 Shots), but I dont think that it would change those numbers significatly...
Again... This is all my guess...

P.P.S.
If true... should be posted in BUGS forum...

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14900.51 in reply to 14900.50
Date: 2/12/2008 4:49:42 AM
Le Cotiche
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I belive that team ratings are wrong here... as well as matchup Ratings...

The box score shows that NZ had 43/89 FG= 48.31% and from their rating below, it does not seem to be the true...
Matchup Ratings
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 74.3
as SG 59.0
as SF 93.1
as PF 107.8
as C 63.7 TOTAL 397,9........... 397,9/5/2 = 39,79%FG


The box score shows that CROATIA had 39/104 FG= 37.5%
Matchup Ratings for Croatia
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 87.2
as SG 96.7
as SF 98.7
as PF 114.9
as C 127.8 TOTAL 525,3.......... 525,3/5/2 = 52,53%

So, both Matchup Ratings and Team Ratings might be showing opponents statistic, instead their... that is my guess...
Anyone who have more time could check this by finding out percentage of PG-s individualy, SG-s individualy...etc... and then compare it to those numbers...

P.S. I did not include FT attempts in this estimation (since i dont know if it is calculated in Position Points per 100 Shots), but I dont think that it would change those numbers significatly...
Again... This is all my guess...

P.P.S.
If true... should be posted in BUGS forum...


it's not a bug

the matchup ratings show how many points a player would score by taking 100 shots in the game
of course no player in the game took all his 100 shots so if player_points/player_shots > MR/100 the player was only lucky (he took more good shots than the number you could expect from the matchup)

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