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Dude....That is something that really happened to me 30 years ago...it was cool to see the link. To see it brought back some memories..

It really makes no difference what the BBs do with the money the get from this game. It is incredibly rude and immature of you to insinuate that they are using the funds inappropriately. It is their business, they can do what they like. I could care less about being a GM. As a human being I find your comments on this topic reprehensible. Your conspiracy theories and The-game-is-against-me rants are comical, but accusing people of things like this is beyond rational. Never have any of the developers said this game was a non-profit. Why do you think they should feel obligated to " answer questions about their finances?"

People leave games of this type all the time. It is a measure of what a great diversion this game is that so many people have stayed for so long.


As far as the answers given, you all crack me up. What has been answered is no different than what has been answered from these same questions since the beginning. If you all thought that suddenly the BBs were going to open up the gates to the kingdom, I have some property available just south of New Orleans for sale. I do agree that not a lot of feedback was given regarding the small nation situation, but perhaps the BBs feel that since the number of People affected is a small percentage of their entire community that it is not as big an issue as the twelve people who complain about it regularly do. Or maybe they are just zipping around Tahiti in their ferraris...

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 2/22/2012 12:11:40 PM

As far as the answers given, you all crack me up. What has been answered is no different than what has been answered from these same questions since the beginning. If you all thought that suddenly the BBs were going to open up the gates to the kingdom, I have some property available just south of New Orleans for sale. I do agree that not a lot of feedback was given regarding the small nation situation, but perhaps the BBs feel that since the number of People affected is a small percentage of their entire community that it is not as big an issue as the twelve people who complain about it regularly do. Or maybe they are just zipping around Tahiti in their ferraris...

On the past i remember BB-Charles and others BB's talking about things of the game engine&skills in a wide way, but never saying how it works.

We can't blame BB-Marin, he is working on many different things, but i think we all were expectating something significant.

If we ask for information about new features or their opinion about new changes, it think we all expect a more extended answer apart from saying:

''We are working on new features''

''We are discussing it''


If not, i don't know the sense of this thread, if the staff decides to run this thread they have to act in consequence.


About the finances, as a supporter i think i could be interested to know if the game have benefits or loss, it's a common thing.
Also i have to remember you that despite of BB's never talk about finances, they always put the example that the money they have earned it's far from the money invested.

Anyway as i said, we can't blame BB-Marin, but it's logic that lot of people is disappointed with the answers given.

Last edited by Marot at 2/22/2012 10:49:39 AM

From my point of view, we (and by we I mean us all) simply failed in asking the right things.

We made so many assumptions about the state of competivity, about "our" problems (micronations et al), about "future development", that we simply forgot what to expect and what to ask to get something of worth.

Asking us first what kind of an answer we really expect, and THEN which questions would make sense might have lead to different answers.

On a side note, Marin mentioned that "doing research IRL how 2-3 works" might help in understanding how it works in the Engine. Similar statement about Patient, Inside and Outside Iso. Those "notes" lead to far more interesting consequences than the "we are looking into... we are planning... we are discussing..." items. It actually leads us to the question whether BB is actualy FAR MORE of a basketball sim than we all expect it to be.

Maybe trying to increase our basketball and our strategical knowledge about the whole basketball related stuff will help us finding ways to successfully handle things more than we need a BB to change things so that anybody can understand it.

Talking about the economical topic.

BBs are mentioning that Economy is in balance, or actually reaching an equilibrium, and people around here are complaining alot about how this would be bad and there would be no room, no fantasy in the market.

Guess what?

An economic balance is the EXACT OPPOSITE of pretty much ANY realistic economical concept IRL. Because IRL economy is based on CONSTANT GROWTH (which is quite an absurd theory overall, but that would lead to philosophical or even political debates, so let´s ignore that).

Working in a STABLE system is a pretty uncommon concept for the most of us, as anybody is "expecting the next boost just around the corner". Maybe we should take this as a challenge, and we should try working around instead of using our "growth based" solutions for a "stable based" problem?

From my point of view, we (and by we I mean us all) simply failed in asking the right things.

Serisouly, you must be kidding me.

''We don't train well the players''

''The 2-3 doesn't work because we don't train good players for it''

''R&G doesn't work as good as LI, because managers doesn't train good outside players''

And now we don't ask the ''right things''

I wonder what's going to be the next excuse.

Is there anything the managers does good in this game from your pov? Do you think that if the 80% of the managers of this game plays LI is because of random?

B3 is the best example to see what works and what not.

Maybe trying to increase our basketball and our strategical knowledge about the whole basketball related stuff will help us finding ways to successfully handle things more than we need a BB to change things so that anybody can understand it.

I don't have to google nothing. I watch basketball(spanish league&euroleague, apart from played some basketball when i was kid) to know that the concept of the zones this game have is REALLY DIFFERENT from the real life. Even if we play less minutes in europe, it's not random that the teams leave the opponent in 50-60 points.


But you gave me a good idea, next time when i want to buy a player i'll go to google and see if that player fits me or not ;)

The zones I play work extremely well in that department. I held my opponents to 61, 80 and 84 points with one "problematic" game of 109. Now the bad side is that I can´t score atm, but that´s a different story. Nevertheless: my zones work. Just have to work out how to limit my fouling ...

If I walk into a restaurant and pay $5 for a beer and give me a glass of water and say 'We are broke'...I rightly ask....

Q: How is this relative to the situation in this game?
A: It isn't. First of all, you have never paid for this game.Secondly, I don't see this game advertising anything that it isn't providing. For free, no less. As a non-paying customer who routinely logs on 6+ times a day, I would say the situation should be you walk into a bar and ask for a glass of water and the bartender gives you a keg. Then you whine that it's not porter, because that's the kind of beer you like and deserve to be given.


What do you think rent costs in Boston? What do you think operating costs (electricity, hardware, maintenance, insurance,tax, etc.) for a business are in the USA? What do you think salaries for however few employees are on this payroll amount to?

ps- I paid for Supporter long before I became a GM. I will pay for it when I stop being a GM.


Last edited by somdetsfinest at 2/22/2012 12:27:17 PM

Wait a second.

First you said this in response to Marin's answers: "he says nothing in a deep way, he seems a politician instead a programmer ..."

And now he's not being polite enough? I'll agree that there are times in the bug forum when Marin's answers could be phrased a little more gently (though perhaps you'd complain about him being too much a politician in that case), but having reread the answers to in the now pinned "Ask the BBs" thread, I don't see a single one that I would characterize as being impolite. Can you point to one specifically? And not your own interpretation of what he said, as you went through, but what he actually said.

And actually, having reread his response to Coco's question on LI, that seems to be the most clear statement I've seen from the BBs that LI is hard to defend because SB is not high enough, and that perimeter based tactics don't work because JR is not high enough. But now you still want more proof, by him making a fictitious team and winning B3 with it? That's simply asking too much. Instead, you'll just have to wait for some members of the community to train up a new generation of players with a new skill set.

An economic balance is the EXACT OPPOSITE of pretty much ANY realistic economical concept IRL. Because IRL economy is based on CONSTANT GROWTH (which is quite an absurd theory overall, but that would lead to philosophical or even political debates, so let´s ignore that).

Working in a STABLE system is a pretty uncommon concept for the most of us, as anybody is "expecting the next boost just around the corner". Maybe we should take this as a challenge, and we should try working around instead of using our "growth based" solutions for a "stable based" problem?

About the economy, working on a stable system doesn't mean encouraging the teams to tank&stand by's and having a poor competition, with the same teams going down&up every season like a lift.

The actual system subsidizes the managers who decides to give up the competition, it's a fact.

(low salary salaries allowed and when they promote they have a bonus for promoting so they have great incomes on that season).

Meanwhile there are other managers that if doesn't like to give up matches because it's not fun, they lose money week after week and if they want to promote they have to play a risky strategy like training in 1 seasons only primary skills or selling sustainable players and hiring monsters with the consequences that if it doesn't work they will go 2-3 steps back

The only escape for the competitive managers was the transfer list. Those who tried to build nice players had the option to go to the market and pick up some benefits by selling the players, but now the demand and supply is far from reach an equilibrium, in fact i don't see any equilibrium there, the inflation of the past wasn't good, but the depreciation we have now it's bad too.

The ''stable system'' has to attract the managers to play the games(at least on a competitive way), because if not then the managers lose the interest on the competition and end leaving the game(it's not weird to read opinions from managers that they just keep playing the game because they want to keep in touch with the community but anything more).

From my experience on this game, i know that making a change on the economy won't satisfy everybody, but a change on this area is needed to change the incomes of the teams.

Last edited by Marot at 2/22/2012 12:40:29 PM