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Of course they receive more merchandise and TV contract money. Merchandise is based on the salary of your teams' players etc....

So??? They get more, and they need to pay more, like in real life.
As they expect to get more due to their players, they need to expect to pay more for those players' coach / trainer etc.

I must say that each time that you see you writing something here it smells fishy.
A user who writes the things you write is not one who plays at the division you are at.

Look at the number of posts in the tanking thread, about people who are up in arms about it. Contrast that with the number of people who are in support of your posts in general. Now, whatever you personally think is a problem, there is a definite sector of the userbase who is vocal that tanking is a problem and many people are convinced that it is simply the only way to get to the top in this game. (You, yourself, made reference to that whenever you were shown a team that didn't reach the top level by virtue of being here since season 4). Now, given that environment, how is a move that will explicitly reward tankers further going to improve the userbase?

How's that rewards tankers? Maybe we need to ask a constant salary per player for all of the teams on any division, regardless of the division and the quality of the team?...

And all this to solve, what, a problem we can't really even identify as an actual problem?

Not a problem???
Why it is OK for higher division's teams to get more money for TV and such but not paying more for the staff they need to posses for those superstars?

And once again I will flow with your point of view to the extreme...
Let's make it zero worth!
Staff will be for free, and JUST for the first division.
As you claimed that the opposite is wrong and will make them compete less, this will surely (as this is the opposite) make them compete more!!!
Somehow it sounds weired to me...

My point of view is that you don't single out any division for different game mechanics or balancing unless there's a very good reason for it.

This does not relate to what I've wrote, and does not relate anything, as it affects all divisions, and as I am at the second division, I am one of those who is affected the most (upon your claim).

My point of view is that you should have as many interesting choices as possible. Free staff means uniform staff all over the place, which eliminates the point of having it in the first place. Giving advantages OR disadvantages to teams just because of the prefix of their league level is ridiculous. Try to make the game better for everyone and people will respect that; try to make the game miserable for those at the top and people will simply stop striving to get there.

They will need to have a better staff for a better roster, not due to their division, because this what a better roster demands (as in real teams).
Or should we also lower the salary of their players, because it is not fair for them... to pay more "just due to the prefix of their division"...

Last edited by Pini פיני at 8/14/2012 4:40:22 PM

Have you seen a school coach (or doctor, or PR), coaching on the NBA?
What would have happened in that case?

An affect of "mismatch" between coach (or doctor, or PR) level to the division number should be added.
Most higher divisions have low quality staff-members that costs pennuts.
This should be changed and fixed.

I have seen a bum coach coaching in the NBA.
See Eric Spoelstra 2011

Have you seen a school coach (or doctor, or PR), coaching on the NBA?
What would have happened in that case?

An affect of "mismatch" between coach (or doctor, or PR) level to the division number should be added.
Most higher divisions have low quality staff-members that costs pennuts.
This should be changed and fixed.

I have seen a bum coach coaching in the NBA.
See Eric Spoelstra 2011

This "bum" coach had coached the same team that won the title last season. A title that had been achieved while the Miami team played good team basketball on both sides of the floor.

He does not get respect due to the fact that he is young and hence did not do much as a coach until last season (and now, in two/three seasons he already have a NBA title...).
He does not get respect, because his players doing show-off in the games when he ask them to perform this or that.
BUT - the way they player, and the fact that he is still the coach there is proving that this show off is only when there are cameras, and when they are gone the players executes his instructions. And that is what counts.

And above all, I am sure that he still does not get a salary of a coach from any school. And that is the main thing here.

Have you seen a school coach (or doctor, or PR), coaching on the NBA?
What would have happened in that case?

An affect of "mismatch" between coach (or doctor, or PR) level to the division number should be added.
Most higher divisions have low quality staff-members that costs pennuts.
This should be changed and fixed.

I have seen a bum coach coaching in the NBA.
See Eric Spoelstra 2011

This "bum" coach had coached the same team that won the title last season. A title that had been achieved while the Miami team played good team basketball on both sides of the floor.

He does not get respect due to the fact that he is young and hence did not do much as a coach until last season (and now, in two/three seasons he already have a NBA title...).
He does not get respect, because his players doing show-off in the games when he ask them to perform this or that.
BUT - the way they player, and the fact that he is still the coach there is proving that this show off is only when there are cameras, and when they are gone the players executes his instructions. And that is what counts.

And above all, I am sure that he still does not get a salary of a coach from any school. And that is the main thing here.

I don't know how much Coach K, or guy at Kentucky, or Huggins, etc. make, so I can't comment on salary.

Yes, this year, he got a title, but last year he did not. The title won, had little to do with his coaching, and more to do with the team he has. Last year, losing the title, with the team he had, was a direct reflection of his coaching.

You asked "Have you ever seen a school coach )or doctor, or PR) coaching on the NBA?" I gave an example. Just because the guy still is coaching, and now is more qualified, des not change the fact that at the time, he was a bum.

For the record. Spoelstra signed a contract to make 6 million over the next 2 seasons.
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7360...
John Callipari Kentucky's coach makes 4.5 Million a year. Rick Pitino makes over 7.5 million in 1 year.
http://basketball.about.com/od/coaches/a/coach-salaries.h...

So, in regards to your bold, underlined point.... you really should check your facts first so you don't look like how you sound.

Last edited by LBJisaCancer at 8/15/2012 7:17:34 AM

when spoelstra is so good, why he didn't get a big paycheck when he had to handle lebron, Wade and Bosh?

He plays by far in the top league, and get 1/3 of lower division coaches(Pitino).

I won't say he is bad, but i think that have more to do with the topic. NBA coaches don't earn the most, even when the league is above all other leagues in the world by far. I think this have to do, with the fact that they got payed by quality and fame and the need for great coaches is bigger at college level.

Edit: now this stand here three times, and sorry for repetition since 2 times i posted it ;)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/15/2012 7:19:24 AM

This "bum" coach had coached the same team that won the title last season. A title that had been achieved while the Miami team played good team basketball on both sides of the floor.

He does not get respect due to the fact that he is young and hence did not do much as a coach until last season (and now, in two/three seasons he already have a NBA title...).
He does not get respect, because his players doing show-off in the games when he ask them to perform this or that.
BUT - the way they player, and the fact that he is still the coach there is proving that this show off is only when there are cameras, and when they are gone the players executes his instructions. And that is what counts.

And above all, I am sure that he still does not get a salary of a coach from any school. And that is the main thing here.

I don't know how much Coach K, or guy at Kentucky, or Huggins, etc. make, so I can't comment on salary.

Yes, this year, he got a title, but last year he did not. The title won, had little to do with his coaching, and more to do with the team he has. Last year, losing the title, with the team he had, was a direct reflection of his coaching.

You asked "Have you ever seen a school coach )or doctor, or PR) coaching on the NBA?" I gave an example. Just because the guy still is coaching, and now is more qualified, des not change the fact that at the time, he was a bum.

For the record. Spoelstra signed a contract to make 6 million over the next 2 seasons.
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7360...
John Callipari Kentucky's coach makes 4.5 Million a year. Rick Pitino makes over 7.5 million in 1 year.
http://basketball.about.com/od/coaches/a/coach-salaries.h...

So, in regards to your bold, underlined point.... you really should check your facts first so you don't look like how you sound.

1) The way the team played in the finals and during the season was as a unit and not as a bunch of great players.
That means that it was due to the coach work.

2) Their team is not stronger (looking at the parts they have) from a bunch of other teams.
Lebron is one of the better two in the league, but Wade is down the hill, and Bosh is not at the same level what so ever.
And of course that they took the Semi with only two of those three.
Not to mention the other players they have...
Above all, if he was not qualified for the position he would not be there! Especially that he is quite cheap compared to all the other salaries.
But again, it is not relevant to the topic.

3) Pitino and all are not school coaches but a college one. Which is totally a different story.

4) In the end there is one true that you trying to hide and not to face with:
There is not a single case or reason for a team to have much expensive roster and a much cheaper coach.

The D-League will never have a coach that will cost like a coach in the NBA.

In the College, a team from the top colleges (in terms of BB) will always have a more expensive coach (and staff in general) compared to the button pack of colleges.

Same in comparing between different divisions in the European leagues.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 8/15/2012 7:50:54 AM

As already written in another post - Pitino is coaching in a parallel league that cannot be compared to the NBA.
It is not a lower league, but just different...

You will never find a coach who earns more in a lower division in German (real) league compared to an higher one.
This, with the exception that the lower league's team is much richer (which is rarely the case).

Spolestra is getting paid less due to his resume, but compared to that - taking the same resume and giving him a different team (even college), and he will get less on those leagues.

It is like comparing two level-X coach with a level-(X-1) that has much more experience.
The last may get more money, but he is worse than the second one by definition.

You will never find a coach who earns more in a lower division in German (real) league compared to an higher one.

there was a coach at least before two years in second div, who earned much more then probadly 15 of the 18 first division coaches.

Also i wouldn't be so sure about Meeks, who coached Göttingen last season etc.

Also i wouldn't say, thatteam invest there money after the same scheme also incolleges, some would pay more for enviroment andoother more for coaches. The variaty also in the NBA is big, yes richer club often pay more sicne they can and this investment bring them more then it cost. They don't double up offers, just because they can they pay it since it makes sense.

As already written in another post - Pitino is coaching in a parallel league that cannot be compared to the NBA.
It is not a lower league, but just different...

which have much less money then a NBA coach, and is clearly lower from the level ;) but sicne the training and fame is more important at college level, the colleges tend to spend a lot to trainer. Didn't you say, that training in top leagues is unimportant, so the conclusion would be that small league where it is important after u had to pay more like in reality ;)

shouldn't the question be if there's a need for a coach? and not how much should he earn in every div?

I am for one against adding another staff member and against adding a coach. If we'll do so we'll have to make other economic changes...

imho i like it how it is, if you think it is a good investment today you pay more, or less when you think it is not.

I'd say I don't know how it is in Israel.... but I have a good friend who graduated from Tel Aviv. I've been to Israel myself as well, and another friend who lives there currently.

Bu Israel, USA, alike. College = School.

I don't know what fantasy realm you live in where a college isn't a school. If you meant HIGH-School, you should say HIGH-School.

4. Miami Heat, expensive roster, cheap coach you are proven wrong there.

Their team played as a unit? SoChalmers, Battier, Norris Cole were all averaging over 8 points per game? Lebron and Wade weren't averaging over 20+? Their team shared the ball offensively like the Denver Nuggets?

Their team isn't stronger? Shane Battier would be a starter on the Cavs, Warriors, Timberwolves, Raptors, Rockets, need I name more? Mike Miller would even be a starter on the Cavs.

So, you've stated 4 points, ignored the link where it shows more than just Pittino, and the only point you have managed to prove at all, was my point. Top teams will have a more expensive coach in general is just not true as a declarative statement like that. It depends. its not so black and white.