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This was my last response to these people.

I have a question to throw back to the community. At this point there is incredible balance at the NT level. Almost everyone plays LI with high-passing, high-OD guards, great inside-looking SFs, a well-rounded big man at PF and a less well-rounded big man at C.

Where in your view can we get an edge?

I would hope that as the incumbent and likely re-elected NT manager, you would still deign to respond to critics (even if you consider them trolls because they have consistently not agreed with you).

Where can we get an edge? It's been the minority's position for a long time that we are going to remain behind the curve if we continue to act like LI/M2M is the only viable option.

Implementing unproven or unfashionable ideas (2-3 zone, SB, JR) at the NT level is always going to be contentious, but if you believe the BB's (and I think we should) when they say that certain tactics or skills are functioning properly, then at some point we have to have:

1- Faith that we have collectively developed a solid theory of how something works
2- The balls to go out on a limb and actively commit our country to implementing something that has not already been proven by other NT's or top level D.I teams for multiple seasons.

Otherwise we will continue to be either playing catch-up, or trying to scrape out tiny incremental advantages within the narrow window of LI/M2M. Our historical trouble winning it all is starting to suggest this may not be enough.

edit: Wozzt's and mforks tools give us an advantage in mining the data that I think most countries don't have, but I'm not sure we are taking full advantage until we commit to saying "we know something other teams don't, and we believe it enough that we're going to build a team around what we've found." That the data confirmed the theories some of our community posters have come up with of how these tactics work (I'm mostly talking 2-3/SB) should only make us more confident.

Last edited by J-Slo at 8/23/2012 8:05:57 AM

There's two problems jfriske (and I say this as a fairly ardent supporter of the 2-3):

(1) I think the BB's are wrong re: 2-3. Or rather, their explanations were incomplete. Yes, it's true that with good SB, you can build a team that does a good job when they contend inside shots. The problem is that it also reduces the number of inside shots you're able to defend. (Imagine that out of 100 inside shots, 50 are "open", and 50 you defend. With the 2-3, your success in the ones you defend does go up, but instead of there being 50 of them, there might only be 40, with now 60 "open" shots). So you do better on contested inside shots, while simultaneously increasing the proportion of open shots, with the net effect somewhat of a wash. Since you are unequivocally worse vs jump shots/3's, the overall effect is a strong negative. Unfortunately, I think the solution is pretty simple (inside offenses should incur a penalty to flow-- this would both solve the problem, by countering the change in % of open shots, and makes sense, since the more your bigs handle the ball, the worse your flow should be). This is unfortunate, because I don't think we're likely to see any changes here (or even have the discussion).

(2) Even if we assume that a 2-3 can work, we don't have the personnel for it. We did a lot of testing of variations of it in scrimmages this season, and in all the metrics we checked (not just final score), it was miserable. Maybe that means it can't work, or maybe it means we don't have the players for it. But in either case, it doesn't seem to work for us. And with so few people on BB believing it could work, there's very little movement towards training the "right" sort of players.

On my iPhone, but sorry for not researching the age of your team from 5 years ago. We both know the crash in buzzerbeater prices made teams reform in different ways. Me failing to cash in was my greatest regret.. My points stand

0 golds or silvers for the senior team
The same underachieving cabal of managers

Expect the same if u vote coco. Or wozz

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a nice prospect to train suboptimally.

Love,
Troll

The same underachieving cabal of managers

I had always heard of it as the secret cabal of managers, though I must admit that was from Hattrick. Are the cabal more explicit here?

The same underachieving cabal of managers

I had always heard of it as the secret cabal of managers, though I must admit that was from Hattrick. Are the cabal more explicit here?

shhh. i know you're not a townie. you can claim to be innocent but we damn well know the truth!

The same underachieving cabal of managers

I had always heard of it as the secret cabal of managers, though I must admit that was from Hattrick. Are the cabal more explicit here?

shhh. i know you're not a townie. you can claim to be innocent but we damn well know the truth!

So he's either mafia, cop, or doc, amirite?


....I bet no one gets this. :(

Last edited by adchester at 8/23/2012 8:21:14 PM

I do!! Love that game.

Townspeople awake.

....I bet no one gets this. :(

recently played this game and thoroughly enjoyed it :)

I dont want to make a post that is too much offtopic so excuse me while I think of a question...

I guess something that was being minorly discussed in an NBBA thread.

What potential do you think is necessary to make a NT SF? Is superstar sufficient? Or does that limit the build too much?

Keep in mind I have only been skimming through these essays of questions so if something like this has been asked and answered I apologize.