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249621.42 in reply to 249621.41
Date: 10/28/2013 4:48:27 PM
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ok. Maybe with a bit more luck we could've got a result, but I really don't like an offensive scheme that sees Alan Sharpling take 30 shots and go 1-12 from 3 when he's playing SG in an NT game. That means our flow was broken. I'd rather we didn't try it again.


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249621.43 in reply to 249621.42
Date: 10/28/2013 5:00:50 PM
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you responded before i deleted my post...

we didnt play the hosts and yes it was the wrong tactics...

in hindsight we most likely would have matched them playing LI and not sure conner should have played as C either...

but we tried, lets hope we can still make it

even mackanzie didnt perform well under these tactics

Last edited by Astragoth at 10/28/2013 5:01:23 PM

From: Park

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249621.44 in reply to 249621.36
Date: 10/29/2013 7:45:36 PM
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Can we get a debriefing on that one? Would be interesting to know what you were hoping for there.

From: Elmacca

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249621.45 in reply to 249621.44
Date: 10/30/2013 7:40:30 AM
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Our coach tried to create a mismatch at C that sees the C take most of the shots. And a possible mismatch at SF if the PF-type SF finds himself up against a guard, although that couldn't be relied upon.

It didn't quite work because of one or a combination of:

- our team-wide flow wasn't good enough to overcome the opposing teams OD, resulting in Sharpling taking late in the clock 3s. Entirely possible given who our SFs were.
- their C had high OD and there wasn't enough of a mismatch between Gascoigne and Anderson's JS and the opposing team C's OD rating, so Gascoigne didn't take enough shots. You do get Cs like that at NT level but not always.
- Sharpling actually had a clear JS/OD advantage over the opposing team's SG (entirely possible for Sharpling, even at NT level), and thus the GE decided he would shoot the ball when he had a reasonable shot open - instead of passing it to the intended mismatch (he went 8-18 from inside the arc and got to the FT line plenty, so that's ok).

Our D was good enough to keep their score down, but 83 points isn't good enough to win you NT games.

Basically, we shouldn't run that tactic with Sharpling in one of the guard positions unless we know their C doesn't have much OD to speak of, and even then it's risky given the handling/passing we're putting out at SF and PF.


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249621.46 in reply to 249621.45
Date: 10/30/2013 7:52:24 AM
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(15080516) started at SG for Slovenia and fouled out after logging just 20 minutes.


He's a 132k PG who shoots a shade under 40% from 3s and averages over 4 rebounds.
He probably has an OD rating of 17 +/- 1.

If he hadn't fouled out, we might have won that game.



Last edited by Elmacca at 10/30/2013 7:54:40 AM

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Date: 10/30/2013 9:28:33 AM
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There was also a PF played at PG.

I would have thought that lack of passing on the PG would make it hard to get the ball to the mismatched C anyway, so it would make sense that he would go for the easy pass (Sharpling) or try and dribble inside to shoot - which I guess he couldn't very often against the opposition PGs OD.

Last edited by Park at 10/30/2013 9:31:28 AM

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Date: 10/30/2013 12:02:26 PM
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I actually thought he must have PA like 14 or something, and it wouldn't have surprised me if he had.

@park - I had noticed, see above.

From: Tuck

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249621.51 in reply to 249621.45
Date: 10/31/2013 9:01:33 AM
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Our coach tried to create a mismatch at C that sees the C take most of the shots. And a possible mismatch at SF if the PF-type SF finds himself up against a guard, although that couldn't be relied upon.

It didn't quite work because of one or a combination of:

- our team-wide flow wasn't good enough to overcome the opposing teams OD, resulting in Sharpling taking late in the clock 3s. Entirely possible given who our SFs were.
- their C had high OD and there wasn't enough of a mismatch between Gascoigne and Anderson's JS and the opposing team C's OD rating, so Gascoigne didn't take enough shots. You do get Cs like that at NT level but not always.
- Sharpling actually had a clear JS/OD advantage over the opposing team's SG (entirely possible for Sharpling, even at NT level), and thus the GE decided he would shoot the ball when he had a reasonable shot open - instead of passing it to the intended mismatch (he went 8-18 from inside the arc and got to the FT line plenty, so that's ok).

Our D was good enough to keep their score down, but 83 points isn't good enough to win you NT games.

Basically, we shouldn't run that tactic with Sharpling in one of the guard positions unless we know their C doesn't have much OD to speak of, and even then it's risky given the handling/passing we're putting out at SF and PF.



I think that everything have been explained here.
Just one point where there's a mistake : their C, Urbanc, has 1 in OD.
(I have a picture of him, after 4 seasons as a NT coach, my database helps a bit...)
Wich is even more weird that Gascoigne has not taken all the shots...

From: Park

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249621.52 in reply to 249621.51
Date: 10/31/2013 5:59:36 PM
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So you were hoping for the C to take most of the shots?

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