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So, I'm just wondering, how high was their JR in relation to the rest of their skills? Are we talking a difference of 8-10 or 4-5, and was it that JR was much higher than every skill or just a few skills?

Last edited by Mountaineer at 4/8/2016 2:47:03 PM

You can't make players like this with L4 trainer...foolish. My PG has 10/10 ID/SB. ;)

Hehehe. I heard this stuff too. Haek was trained with a lv 4 trainer.129 TSP and a pretty low salary.
It is always easy to say what someone cannot do. When I started my new training project with Sonnemans most of the others said he will not work and he will be no player for the NT. But we will see. ..

So, I'm just wondering, how high was their JR in relation to the rest of their skills? Are we talking a difference of 8-10 or 4-5, and was it that JR was much higher than every skill or just a few skills?

Well, I got them as 18 year olds, and trained outside shooting almost exclusively (I think once two position on a two game week, and I think jump shot twice on two game weeks), so JR has gotten to about 3-6 ahead of JS and 8+ more than anything else.

Hehehe. I heard this stuff too. Haek was trained with a lv 4 trainer.129 TSP and a pretty low salary.
It is always easy to say what someone cannot do. When I started my new training project with Sonnemans most of the others said he will not work and he will be no player for the NT. But we will see. ..

I think we should just let him rant and build his 20 DR 20 HA players with 140 TSP (presumably) and inferior builds.

On the NT side: I think Haek the other German NT guy with 17/17/17 ID/RB/SB (who is inferior to my trainee) and also Jagermeister are cost controlled players, which is a massive plus for club play. At the NT level though 9 IS on a big man is not going to be viewed favourably by many NT coaches and even among those who would like that, they'd use such a player mostly unconventionally.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/9/2016 11:13:37 AM

Hehehe. I heard this stuff too. Haek was trained with a lv 4 trainer.129 TSP and a pretty low salary.
It is always easy to say what someone cannot do. When I started my new training project with Sonnemans most of the others said he will not work and he will be no player for the NT. But we will see. ..

I think we should just let him rant and build his 20 DR 20 HA players with 140 TSP (presumably) and inferior builds.

On the NT side: I think Haek the other German NT guy with 17/17/17 ID/RB/SB (who is inferior to my trainee) and also Jagermeister are cost controlled players, which is a massive plus for club play. At the NT level though 9 IS on a big man is not going to be viewed favourably by many NT coaches and even among those who would like that, they'd use such a player mostly unconventionally.

True, this kind of players are a special class. And you can't use them in every game. But for some specific tasks they are exellent choices. I know for sure, that Haek influenced the tactic decissions of some NTs just because he had GS 9. They changed their plans from inside to another tactic. Sometimes it's enough to get inside the head of your opponent.

I was saying that you can have the SAME salary but have 40 more skill points. That is how the salary formula works.

It doesn't work like that and it never has. If you were able read the table I gave you, you would understand why.

Now Nachmahr has told you you can train a player with 18OD 18HA 18PA 18ID 18SB with a level 4 trainer. Do you need more proof?

I made a guy who could stop LI attacks for his NT because he had high SB and who could kill it

Tsunami was not the best player on his own team. Japan never won anything. His club coach wasn't getting to the KO stage in the B3 regularly with him as his third best player. That's the truth. Now you can keep ranting about how good he was. Provide his skillset and then, maybe, we'll talk. He's 36 and not playing for his NT, so there is no reason to keep it secret.

My PG has 10/10 ID/SB. ;)

Good for you. I fail to see how that's impressive, but I'm happy for you.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/9/2016 11:36:28 AM

And JS is the death of many builds as it eats a lot of cap with dubious benefits, although I can see the case for pushing JS a bit for SFs.

The reason why high DR is a horrible thing to have is that either you have other players with equally high DR or the player with very high DR will attempt more shots. And normally you would like your frontcourt players to take more shots as they are usually more efficient in BB. SFs are not as inefficient as guards, but big men are usually more efficient than them, too.

This is why you should take things with a pinch of salt and not going with blank statements about 140 builds. Those builds are typically built on 20 DR/HA to speed up all other outside skills, but unless you end up with legit 150 TSP player with good primary and key secondary skills like Conor Marshall or 160 TSP players like Hakkinen, in most cases you end up with a build which is inferior to a 125-130 build which has lower HA/DR (so fewer bad shots taken), but more OD or PA or other more important skills.

So let me make a suggestion: instead of talking totals, let's talk about hypothetical (or actual) builds. So we all know what we are discussing and we avoid personal interpretations. The (partial) builds you proposed earlier in the thread are unlikely for guards. Haek is the closest thing to what you would like, but he has underwhelming shooting skills and JR. So that's the trade-off: a guy with low shooting and uber defense and flow. I think you can add another 10 pops to his build, if you're lucky, with a better trainer, but it will still be low.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/9/2016 12:20:32 PM