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78242.429 in reply to 78242.428
Date: 4/29/2011 3:58:21 AM
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that's not exactly true.

higher skill levels, on average, do take a bit longer to pop. This is because of the elastic effect. However, this depends on the other skills of the same player. One marvelous skill will take a long time to train if no other skill is above respectable, while there is no difference to training a respectable skill when the guys other main skills are around marvelous as well.

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Date: 4/29/2011 4:26:34 AM
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reading his entire message, it seems he understands there is an elastic effect and was just asking if a low level skill takes longer to pop relative to a high level skill independent of all other variables, and as you re-iterated, the answer is no.

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Date: 4/29/2011 7:26:48 AM
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trying to understand the elastic effect better.

say i had a player with these skills

Jump Shot: marvelous Jump Range: prominent
Outside Def.: marvelous Handling: sensational
Driving: proficient Passing: strong

would passing train considerably faster ?

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Date: 4/29/2011 5:27:20 PM
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The easiest way would be to look at a capped all-star potential player and compare his salary now with last year's salary.
But as for 60k, I think that depends a lot on his actual skill set.

And at the end of the day, an all-star will always be an all-star (skillwise) this year, only his salary will be less (but the tv-contract also so globally it should balance out).

PS: a) I think potential also has sublevels, but can someone confirm this? (hall of fame says "10" and all time great says "10+") Can it be anything?
b) legendary says "20+". So, could you have two "legendary" rebounders, only one of them has RB=21 and the other one RB=23?
c)I believe GS is hard capped at exactly 9.0. Stamina is capped at "prominent (10)". Or is should it say 10+... ?

lots of questions...

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Date: 4/30/2011 7:44:42 AM
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PS: a) I think potential also has sublevels, but can someone confirm this? (hall of fame says "10" and all time great says "10+") Can it be anything?
b) legendary says "20+". So, could you have two "legendary" rebounders, only one of them has RB=21 and the other one RB=23?
c)I believe GS is hard capped at exactly 9.0. Stamina is capped at "prominent (10)". Or is should it say 10+... ?


a) that could be true, but right now i don't believe it.
b) yes. skills are not capped at 20, you can have 21, 22 etc, it just doesn't show up. Aristotelis Degulys fro Lietuva NT has OD more than 20, he was trained a lot in od past legendary and his salary increased because of that.
c) yes, GS is capped at 9.0. and it starts with 6.5 every season when GS reset happens. stamina is also capped at 10.

of course i can't confirm this with proofs :) but i believe this is how it is.

Last edited by Rycka at 4/30/2011 7:49:22 AM

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Date: 4/30/2011 9:16:09 AM
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When the GS reset, it's at 6.5? Shouldn't all the GS be at average then? I thought it starts on the lowest sublevel of respectable, so reset at 7.0.

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Date: 4/30/2011 9:40:26 AM
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I think the lowest level of respectable is 6.5. But maybe it's just a matter of interpretation, although I have a feeling it does matters whether Respectable is [6.5;7.5[ or [7.0;8.0[. If the former is true, that means the lowest possible value for a skill is 0.5. Or 1.0 in the latter case.
If the GE, training system, or the elastic effect work based on proportionality (ratio between skills determine the elastic effect, or simply how much a player will dominate his counterpart) then it does matter, because 8.5 ÷ 4.5 ≠ 8 ÷ 4.
If it's only a matter of absolute difference between skills then it doesn't matter. You could even imagine respectable is ]6.0;7.0], in which case the lowest possible value for a skill would be zero.

edit: the lowest value is most likely not zero, unless one can find a player with salary under $ 300.

Last edited by Thelonious at 4/30/2011 9:45:15 AM

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Date: 4/30/2011 9:59:19 AM
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When the GS reset, it's at 6.5?


yes it was said by BB-Marin in bug forums a season or so ago. that's why we have impression at the start of the season, that something is not right with gameshape the first week. it does drop to average with 70+ minutes sometimes. because it just becomes 6.4 or so.

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