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155751.43 in reply to 155751.40
Date: 9/2/2010 11:57:07 AM
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The cap is 23,000 not 20,000. Where did you read that there was a 20K cap?


is it really 23k? i expect it is already pretty hard around 19,5

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155751.44 in reply to 155751.40
Date: 9/2/2010 1:33:28 PM
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classic post.

the cap is 20k not 23k .


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155751.45 in reply to 155751.44
Date: 9/2/2010 6:43:08 PM
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If it is 20K then how come this team has over 20K in his arena every game..Last season in the great 8 championship he had like 21,600. Isn't a cap something you can't go over. In the BB best, all the games from the final 4 were over 22K.
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I was just using my eyes not something I read from some post.
Since I have never seen a game with more than 23K, I used that as the cap.
What's the old saying.."Don't believe everything you read".
In fact, I heard they used the Detroit Pistons arena as their arena model( It is the biggest in the NBA).
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Palace_of_Auburn_Hills)

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Date: 9/2/2010 7:32:03 PM
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A soft cap is different to a hard cap. A soft cap means its hard to get anything over 20k which is what I believe the soft cap is. A hard cap means its not possible to get anything over it.

Just like with a players training and potential soft cap, once they reach the soft caps of their potential they can still pop but very very slowly.

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155751.47 in reply to 155751.44
Date: 9/2/2010 8:25:35 PM
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Zyler...

What I don't get with your argument about the best ratio...

From what I figure:
860 Box Seats / 50
180 Court / 500
45 Lower / 4500
20 Upper / 15000
It would seem a higher ratio of lower deck would provide a slight advantage...but nothing major.

Now here is the concern. It doesn't take as long to build lowers as it takes to build bleachers. Also, courtside seats provide the fastest payback by far. Therefore, going max court then working towards larger box and lowers is not a bad idea since they build faster. But building bleachers when during the off-season seems to be preferred. So bleachers IMO are dependent on getting the other stuff built a little earlier than concentrating on bleachers. But I do agree with you that getting up around 15,000+ bleachers is cheaper and has a faster overall payback due to price. I don't however agree that it provides the overall best income. But its income has a faster return (except on a game by game basis).

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155751.48 in reply to 155751.47
Date: 9/3/2010 12:37:50 AM
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I don't however agree that it provides the overall best income


then sorry but your wrong.

you simply cant get enough fans in at a higher price to make it work.

as ive said before i wanted to be able to build my arena with a large amount of lower tier , but it simply doesnt work the fans wont pay enough for the 8000+ lower tier seats

also my argument has not been about the best ratio im still trying to work that out

my argument is solely about arena's of this model or close to this model.

10 k bleachers - 8 k lower tier - cap - cap.

which is basically what messens is and basically what sammy's is.
i was going to build the same model , until i did my research.

as for my new model which i outlined a few posts above , its a rough guess of what the perfect arena will be based on what i have seen so far.



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155751.49 in reply to 155751.48
Date: 9/3/2010 5:53:22 PM
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i was thinking 4500 would be about optimal. That is based on just a few random studies.

So I am agreeing with you, that over 6,000 seems wacked out.

It would seem somewhere between 2000-6000 makes sense. But as you get towards 6,000 has diminishing return.

Especially if you can sell out bleachers @ 19 or 20.

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155751.50 in reply to 155751.49
Date: 9/3/2010 6:34:08 PM
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My ideal arena and what I am working towards is:

19,125 Bleachers
2,250 Lower Tier
500 Courtside
50 Luxury Boxes

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155751.51 in reply to 155751.48
Date: 9/4/2010 4:39:57 PM
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just an update, today against a sligthly more atractive opponent(last in my group with one win but at least with a full lineup) +45k income, but with to low lower tie prices(selled out)

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155751.52 in reply to 155751.51
Date: 9/4/2010 4:51:19 PM
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you need to be selling out all 8450 seats at above 40 a seat to match the effectiveness of the bleachers model

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155751.53 in reply to 155751.52
Date: 9/4/2010 11:57:37 PM
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but since he's already got them built...
$625000 against the worst team in his division seems pretty decent though?

I do agree that without them built, it would seem the cheaper mode is bleacher mode. But LT seem to have some decent long-term advantages....i mean if we really ignore the payback terms.

he is still 1/2 in his country. And with them built I see a slight advantage - that at that level may me something? I don't know.

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