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From: thylacine

To: iwen
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208292.43 in reply to 208292.32
Date: 2/7/2012 6:07:57 PM
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The problem (which has always existed in the draft) is that generally, there isn't enough talent to go around. The ABBL draft has given us trash for so many seasons now.

I can understand 2nd and 3rd round talent being average at best, but the top half of the first round should be decent pickups for most teams.

The most popular suggestion is to make 19 year olds useful. As it currently stands, half the draft is rendered useless because 19 year olds are thrown on the scrap heap. Give 19 year olds a slight skill boost (say strong/proficient) in skills and you'll see happier people.

A very good idea! What's the point of generating so many draftees, if you know at least 90% will go straight to the bin. Another idea was to give each draftee at least 2, maybe 3 guaranteed years before they cap, regardless of their potential. This would mean that all players below starter potential don't get thrown away as soon as their owners see them, and the majority below 4 ball.
or even a slight bias for better draftees in higher divisions, i.e.
DV max allstar potential
DIV maz peren. allstar
DIII max superstar
DII max mvp
I think many people invest in the draft process at BB, cause it's an exciting thing in real life. They keep reminding us that BB is just a game, and therefore adheres to its own rules. But it's only because of the real game and NBA in particular that people's imagination is able to turn BB, which is basically numbers into a story.

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208292.44 in reply to 208292.43
Date: 2/7/2012 6:15:04 PM
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I would be in favor of higher leagues getting slightly better skill sets for their draftees, but to limit the lower levels to all-star potential would not be in favor of at all. If you did that, the lower level teams would be at a much bigger disadvantage to being able to move up to the highest levels because the trainees they got while in D5 would not be players they could keep and use to lead the team in D2 or D1. So they'd be training certain players just to get out of D5, then have to dump those players and start with fresh draftees once they reach D2 or maybe even D3.

Take this comment for what it's worth considering I've never played higher than D5 yet and have no real facts about what kind of players dominate at the higher levels. But I do know there is a reason that people pay so much more for a MVP or HOF potential player than they do the all-star players.

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208292.45 in reply to 208292.42
Date: 2/7/2012 6:30:14 PM
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well.
1st: like some others already said: your player isnt that bad. i like hus skillset. he can an important player in your rotation, if you give him time.
2nd: he was your 1st preference. not knowing the skillset- just salary, age & potential - lets take a look what was drafted AFTER your Johnnie Dylan:

Luther Portillo (23478518)
David Newman (23478541)

so maybe you missed 2 better prospects, which is either bad luck or bad scouting of yours, dude.
but anyway: your player is a nice pick, sure higher potential would be fine, but he is definitely a good draft worth to get trained.

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208292.46 in reply to 208292.45
Date: 2/7/2012 6:33:39 PM
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How do you know he was my first preference?

He shouldn't have been my first preference. I'm double checking that now.

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208292.47 in reply to 208292.46
Date: 2/7/2012 6:36:46 PM
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208292.48 in reply to 208292.45
Date: 2/7/2012 6:37:41 PM
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I see now how you know he was my first preference. Honestly, I've made some kind of mistake or the ge made some kind of mistake, because that player should not have been my #1 ranked player going into the draft.

I'm starting to believe that maybe I set my draft order, then forgot to hit SET or whatever it is to save it. I've done that before, so that could be my issue here.

Thanks for the info. Probably just stupidity on my part.

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208292.49 in reply to 208292.47
Date: 2/7/2012 6:42:55 PM
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Like I said, most people in D5 and D4 get one of their first 3 preferences. His league everyone got their first preference.

I still think it's a mistake to sell him, but to each his own.

From: Tangosz

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208292.50 in reply to 208292.49
Date: 2/7/2012 7:05:50 PM
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And I completely disagree with the idea that the max potential of draftees should be affected by the league they're drafted from. Higher division managers have many challenges, but they already have a lot of benefits. Now they should get a higher percentage of valuable trainees? Allowing them to sell for more money? I just don't see any reason for it.

If it seems like the higher divisions don't produce many quality prospects, I'd guessit's just a factor of the fewer total draftees there. There's only ~24 18 year olds in each top league draft (assume ~50% of the class is 18). In contrast, there are 6144 18 year olds in D5 (24*256). Given that good 18 year olds with good potential are pretty rare, by chance they'll land in the largest leagues, not the upper leagues.




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208292.51 in reply to 208292.50
Date: 2/7/2012 7:13:13 PM
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I wanted to just see what the breakdown was for my league, and here is what it came out to............. total number of players for each potential level...........

Announcer - 0
Bench Warmer - 3
Role Player - 7
6th Man - 14
Starter - 3
Star - 6
All Star - 6
Per. All Star - 3
Superstar - 3
MVP - 3
Hall of Fame - 0
All-Time Great - 0

In my opinioin, 24 of the players were useless........ meaning half of the players were useless.

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208292.52 in reply to 208292.49
Date: 2/7/2012 7:17:39 PM
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I still think it's a mistake to sell him, but to each his own.

Yea, I probably jumped the gun on listing him on the TL. But I'm going to have a hard time fitting him into my training rotation. I already have more than 3 trainees that mean something to me and I don't want to get rid of any of them for sentimental reasons.

If my new draftee does not sell, I'll try to work out a game plan to fit him in. He's probably a better trainee than some of my others, but I've grown fond of my other guys, which is probably a mistake.

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208292.53 in reply to 208292.52
Date: 2/8/2012 12:39:34 AM
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Oh, I know all about having too many trainees and not enough spots. And for getting emotionally involved in the idea that if you could just keep training them a bit, they'd really get good. Even though actually doing that training would detract from another trainee who would ultimately be better. It's not an easy set of decisions to make, which is part of why it's such a fun thing to have to manage.

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