BuzzerBeater Forums

Hahaha, absolutely, or we might hire some... you know, Russian hackers or something

i hope you decide to follow your own advice here if you are in charge of a NT in the future and find your self in the same situation as the Netherlands did here.

I have no interest in taking charge of a NT, I have absolutely no interest to babysit or run after managers for GS, training, finding buyers for their players or whatever else and I think there are more qualified people to run NTs anyways.

I can assure you that if I'm the Netherlands I play some broken tactic (like Patient with offset scorer), double GDP and Normal hoping that I get some injury or foul out to go my way. I could perhaps understand your reasoning at the NT level but at the U21 level the difference between teams is not that massive (with some exception, like Italy in the consolation tournament), which means you're delusional if you think (5% chance to win R32 + 10% chance to win R16 + 5% to win R8) is better than (1% chance to win R32 + 40% to win R16 + 30% chance to win R8). CT every game with the probability above has about 0.025% of landing you in the Semis. Normalling with the probabilities above has 0.12% chance of landing you in the Semifinals, about 5 times higher.

This is the reasoning I would do, but to me achieving an extra round in a second tier competition would be a worthless achievement. Of course if Holland did throw away extra Enth in losses during the qualification phase. The only benefit of the consolation tournament is:
A) Winning it (it's still a trophy and at the U21 level many teams can win it)
B) Home court advantage for the following competition

That's about it. I'd rather have my U21 coach trying to go as far as he possibly can, not settle for mediocrity. Crunching in the first elimination game is just giving up from the get go.

But they still gets to play another playoff game that can lead to another small drop in the rankings. This can lead to easier opponents next season. Not really something that will hurt them imo.

Elaborate please. I think qualification groups strength is random, but perhaps you can show us some post by BBs where it says they are seeded from the best to the worst ranking.

Even if you're right and they are seeded (which in the 30s and 40s I do not believe), I'd take the chance of playing a few extra games than winning the first and having next to no chance of progressing further to improve my team's ranking by 1 or 2.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/16/2017 6:21:32 AM

What I did read was math and statistics problems.

What you read were math and statistics explanation of why the GE produced a result contrary to logic. I suggest if you cannot handle the truth that statistics show us, either provide evidence of how it all makes sense in basketball terms or get or take your own suggestion and read some math books: no need for stochastic calculus, you just need arithmetic!

I also haven't read any congratulations to the Dutch U21 team.

Thank you for congratulating our U21 coach Jeründerbar for this historic upset. One of the greatest upsets in the history of the U21 Consolation tournament to stay on topic. We appreciate it! ;)

I wouldn't congratulate Steven Bradbury for winning an Olympic gold, surely I shouldn't congratulate someone equally underserving in BB, would you?

It's like when Manon got outsmarted and lost to Wolph, but the latter still needed a healty dose of GE nonsense to win (back then there was no GDP either, so things are comparable).

Ah, you're one of those people... sportmanship doesn't matter, only being right.

Play this game for math and statistics, fine. I won't.

So here is my explanation in basketball terms. One team showed more effort and the coach of the weaker team did a better job. The end!

I'm sure you did party all night also when your coach lost games wasting Enth in the qualifiers! (party)

the weaker team did a better job

Except we already concluded that in basketball terms, looking at what happened in the game, the weaker team did not do a better job.

What do you want me to say? You guys shall hereby be known as the Steven Bradburys of BB, the last man standing (+ not disqualified). You can wear that badge with pride and honour.

I totally get your frustration and I think you are right to be upset. But on the other hand, it's all about probability and randomness generation within the game that makes this highly unlikely event happen once in a while.

I think of the game engine as a set of algorithms that are full of random stuff generation with forced percentages on it. Let's say like playing Risk, where you can invade a country and throw 3 dices against 1 for as many times in a row as your army can. And yes, it can happen that the defending player who left an unprotected territory gets lucky with the dice every time and the smart attacker that did everything to make sure he wins the match loses his army.

We tend to complain about things that go unplanned without taking a good look at all the times things went well. Let's check how many of those games were won by the worst side and we'll see if there's room to complain or if we were just unlucky.

The doctor may tell you that you have a 99% of chances of coming out alive of surgery and you could easily be the guy out of 100 that dies, and the doctor didn't necessarily lie.

It's like when Manon got outsmarted and lost to Wolph

Only that i have never played against Wolphs team....

True it appears it was probably a Wales - Sweden game and I thought you were the coach

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/16/2017 10:40:43 AM