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Nbrs are falling - Buzzerbeater whats wrong & how can it be fixed?

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251069.431 in reply to 251069.430
Date: 1/5/2014 7:10:31 PM
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But should you really have to depend on luck when there are bot teams playing other bot teams?

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251069.433 in reply to 251069.429
Date: 1/5/2014 8:26:27 PM
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Not to dis agree but at same time, If it was seeded lower team would never win past the second round. The higher league seed would be right on them, every single time.


Isn't that how tournaments and competitions are supposed to work?


The thing about random draws is that they are, by nature, random - I drew the same division II team in the first couple of rounds two of my first four seasons here. But the league and tournament structure seem to be based quite strongly on England's football/soccer structure (which is common in Europe, in fact). Leagues with promotion / relegation, and a national tournament (FA Cup) with completely random draws and which allows all teams in the nation (at least, in the first 10 levels of play) to enter. Of course, the FA Cup does give higher level teams byes into later rounds, so there are a lot of qualifying rounds first with the extreme low level teams before the bigger clubs start showing up, but in theory the top two teams in the game could play each other well before the finals.

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251069.434 in reply to 251069.433
Date: 1/5/2014 9:59:58 PM
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I understand what you are getting at with the soccer comparison, but the English soccer structure doesn't have bot teams playing each other at the expense of human controlled teams.

Like I said before, if it didn't have a monetary component it wouldn't be a problem. The tournament has an effect on overall fan support which influences attendance as well as the 50k purse for winning each game.

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251069.435 in reply to 251069.434
Date: 1/5/2014 10:07:18 PM
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So you prefer to take on a Div II side in round 1? I do not see how it will be good for anyone other then the top level sides to do the draw seeded.

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251069.436 in reply to 251069.434
Date: 1/6/2014 8:07:59 AM
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I understand what you are getting at with the soccer comparison, but the English soccer structure doesn't have bot teams playing each other at the expense of human controlled teams.

Like I said before, if it didn't have a monetary component it wouldn't be a problem. The tournament has an effect on overall fan support which influences attendance as well as the 50k purse for winning each game.


No, because there are no bot teams in England, but other than having teams from different levels entering the tournament at different times and having the very early qualifying rounds drawn with geographic constraints (no need for ninth-level teams to travel cross country), the draw is entirely random. There are often times where low level teams are facing off while higher level teams are facing off. And they, like BB, have prize money awarded to the winners which varies based on each round.

In short, the whole idea of a seeded tournament is fine - HT uses that - but a completely random tournament is fun too and definitely has precedent in the real sporting world.

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251069.437 in reply to 251069.434
Date: 1/6/2014 11:08:18 AM
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My problem with seeded tournament...

Enthusiasm of teams.

If it were seeded... many higher level teams, would no longer have to make choices of... "Do I win a league game, or do I win a cup game? Do I play this player this long and mess up his gameshape or do I play his back-ups? Etc."

Similarly. you'd be taking that away from everyone else too.

The difference is Majority of D. V, and seriously way more D. IV people than you'd think, don't manage enthusiasm or gameshape that well either. So, not only are you giving advantage to the managers that know how to manage this, but you're taking away more possibilities for the D. V human team, or D. IV human team, to crunch time their cup game, and beat a better team in an upset.

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251069.439 in reply to 251069.437
Date: 1/7/2014 12:08:42 PM
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I definitely think that keeping the tournament unseeded is the way to go. New teams need the money to build their franchise's up from the bottom, not to mention it keeps new owners engaged in the different aspects of BB. Older teams don't need the money (sure everyone wants more money) and they don't need the incentive to stay engaged in BB as a whole.

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251069.440 in reply to 251069.20
Date: 1/8/2014 11:18:30 PM
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So true. The seasons are way too long in real time for anyone to stay engaged for a long time in this game.

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