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Without these options it is very boring.

To have the option uncover any player you want is really great, but if I imagine that I have to do something like that every week...

Raising draftees to 60 is not a good idea imo. I think there are a lot of retired players in the database and creating +12 per league in addition to those that get released is not a good idea.
Letting people to assign your own draft scouting will create a situation, where the info on the players has to be really random (so you could not trade the info). This would actually make the draft worse.
It's really hard to think something better for the draft. If you add any info to the draft (like heigh or name or certains skills) you have to keep the scouting random. If you give people the power to choose who to scout, you will have to change scouting info to be more random (actually the info at the moment is random enough to implement this).
So I propose this: Every team has a base scouting points (like the new teams or base for those that do not invest in scouting), those will be used randomly on player scouting - with the clause of scouting one time only per player, so you will not lose any of those on one ball player revisited. The points you gain every week (from investing) will be given to you for usage when the draft becomes available. Now you can use those points to scout unknown players or take a second scouting report on those prescouted players.

Everyone keeps trying to make the draft so complicated because of a fear that players will trade info, but I don't see what the big deal it about. I don't think it is that likely anyway.
There would have to be multiple friends in the SAME division and the SAME league that are willing to share info. They need to both spend large amounts in scouting for it to be any use. They both would have to scout the exact same player for any info to be of any use, and there is no way to be sure that they both scouted the same player or just a similar player. There is no names associated with drafts so they can't both choose to scout the same player. And even by some chance all of this came together they MIGHT be able to share info on 1 or 2 players max, and the chance that the player is a great player worth collaborating over is very small. Also, why would they collaborate anyway, it is still a competition and one of the collaborators would have a lower league standing than the other, so why would the guy with the winning team help the other guy and hence make all the money he spent on scouting useless as the other guy would use his picks to get the players that you collaborated over, and his pick will go first as he is lower in the league standings. And even if it was to happen by some small chance, chances are one of them will be relegated or advance and then they will be in different leagues and it's not an issue anymore.

Just make the draft have 48 players, each week you can select to scout 1, 2, 3 or 4 players (or 2 players twice etc) and you can select which of the 48 players you want to scout and how many times. All 48 players are identified by number and not name, and this order is different for every person in the league. If you do not select which players you wish to scout then it will automatically scout random players. Also, I believe you are given 14 initial scouts in the current draft system and this could carry over to the new system so you start with a list of 48 players, and 14 players show some info (or 7 show extra info etc).

You probably would not see why direct trading would be bad aswell etc.
The problem lies with the fact that if people want, it can be done. You can trade players for one week aswell with ludacrisly high transfer price but you will get corrected for it -> thus losing money. We are not talking about some 4-th league abuse. Because who needs to abuse anything in the 4-th league? There are plenty of bots and you will be promoting fast anyway.
In top division noone has to relegate or promote for trading info to have effect. 1 team scouts every player, getting to know all of those 5 star skills players (highest ranked team). The other two teams focus on rescouting those 5 starred players etc (highest ranked team then can choose his players based on 5 starred players positions).
Scouting should be fair, with info tradeing it's not fair. If you have friends in your league, or can make deals to share that info, you can invest 10k and still get info worth 40k or more. That's the problem.
I believe I have said enough on this matter, I believe BB's will do what is best for everyone.

first i do like and respect you for wanting to make the game better but i do strongly disagree with you on this one

what is the problem? the current system is boring and illogical so we need to make it more fun

solution - weekly scouting

there have been lots of great suggestions and i guess the bbs will choose the way they want to do it if there ever is a change but for fun the basic idea should be

1) a blank list of 48, 60 whatever randomly numbered players
2) each week you choose who you scout
3) scouting spending is the same as it is now
4) first scouting reveals some basic information more scoutings reveal more
5) at the end of the season all players recieve their 14 free random scoutings

there will there be the possibility to swap information but so what in my league there are max two people i trust and i will be picking before one and after another so i dont really want the lower team to steal the guy i "discover" and what motivation does the top player have for helping us at all

even if you swap information it is worthless if you havent scouted that player enough to identify them

even then the draft is far from perfect even if you scout 5 ball skill and 5 ball potential you can still end up with a high draft pick who is 18 $4500 wages but a 7'0" PG or has an atrocious in a critical area i have seen these

direct trading would wreck this game as it is end of story

Yes making the team use the draft points he gains during that week would help with the sharing info problem. Use the points during the week or they are used randomly.
Now with getting the draft at the start of the season, creates another problem:D We have all seen those All Star game results before it has been played. What if something goes wrong with the draft and everyone sees the full info for a few hours or so? That would really be bad.

even if you swap information it is worthless if you havent scouted that player enough to identify them

If one team has scouted all players once he sees: 5 star players -> 1PG, 2SG,3SF,1PF,2C - 4 star players -> etc.
You kind of have the idea who is who.

Sorry but I still don't understand how you think people are going to cheat.
You are suggesting that 1 person (the top person in the league) scouts every player?
Then what?
Why is this person helping the other people? If he is top of his league he won't be spending much on scouting.

Maybe he has friends that help him to be there instead of someone else?
You help someone to get something back. He invests enough to scout every draftee once. The second scouting will be done by the other teams. Thus getting the max info with minimal spending. I'm not going to get into this again. If you can't see how it can be done, then there is no point for me to explain it once more.
Everyone wants to maximize the draft, so you get the best player you could draft at your position. People who scout alone will pay more for less info -> and will prolly miss out on some of the talent.
I have seen that people seem to think sharing info is not a big problem. Perhaps it's not. It takes some time anyway to calculate the actual investing needed by teams involved and about a season to effectivly run it. So that's not a big problem right away.

If one team has scouted all players once he sees: 5 star players -> 1PG, 2SG,3SF,1PF,2C - 4 star players -> etc.
You kind of have the idea who is who.

Sorry but you are paranoiac... How many time everyone have to repeat for you that it`s no use of info about full list of once scouted players if you haven`t scouted them all as well... So just count the money... And still you would know just HEIGHT, AGE and POSITION. Grades and potential would be revealed just after second attempt.

Team 1 has full list. Team 2,3 have done the second scouting on all the 5 star and 4 star players.
There are total of 9 - 5 star players.
PG pot4, SG's pot4,pot4, SF's pot1,pot3,pot3, PF pot1,C's pot2,pot3.
Same can be done with 4 star players. So for the 1-st team you have enough info to make the best draw considering you are on the lower end in drafting position. 1-st team gives the two other teams the number of 5 and 4 star players in the draft, getting back the list of players to avoid. Like the 5 star PF etc.
I am paranoid, but you are blind :D

Last edited by Kukoc at 2/14/2010 6:55:56 AM

Team 1 scouts everyone once. Team 2 can't do the second scouting until it has done the first scouting. And it can't do the first scouting on the 5 star players because there is no way to tell which player is 5 stars.

Lets consider this:
There are 5 players in the draft.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Team 1 scouts them all once.
1. 1 piece of info
2. 1 piece of info
3. 1 piece of info
4. 1 piece of info
5. 1 piece of info
But team 2 and team 3 still see:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
i.e. nothing.
Now lets say player 4 is the only 5 star player.
According to you team 1 will tell team 2 and 3 to scout this 5 star player.
But there is no way for team 2 and 3 to know which player is the 5 star player as number 4 in Team 1's list is number 1 in team 2's list and number 5 in team 3's list.
Team 2 and team 3 would have to scout the players once until they managed to find out which 1 is the 5 star player.
Now they have scouted the players once, and they know which is the 5 star player.
But Team 2 and Team 3 had to do their own scouting! They couldn't use anything that Team 1 told them.