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164333.44 in reply to 164333.43
Date: 11/24/2010 2:11:55 AM
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Cos Carmelo makes them tired on defense, they got nothing left for offense.

Yes, the answer is obviously that Carmelo's opponents focus on defending him and don't do much on offense (Melo drawing fouls is also a factor for PER).
I just wanted to show that PER or other statistics don't necessarily reflect reality.
Boston's team defense plays a big part in Rondo's defensive statistics. They are arguably the best team when it comes to help defense.

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Date: 11/24/2010 12:10:59 PM
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Actually, he can. Maybe PER is a useless stat, but it's an indicator of the level of overall production, and thus is an indicator that opposing PGs are simply not producing against Rondo.

There are better indicators. Far, far better indicators. PER is not worth mentioning

Rondo's awareness on the offensive end is pretty impressive to me. As in, "top of the NBA by far" impressive, given how he always seems to know where his teammates are. If you're talking about questionable decisions with the ball, I'd argue that Westbrook is worse than Rondo in that department.

Westbrook is a different player now than he was in his rookie season, when he served up more turnovers than your local bakery. Rondo still passes up layups in order to make passes. Players get criticized when they're shoot-first to the point where they don't make enough passes - well, Rondo is the exact opposite. On the rare occasions that he does shoot, he's not at all confident. Defenses still don't respect him. At least Westbrook is confident shooting the ball or finishing at the rim - and confidence is everything.

As far as defensive awareness is concerned, while Rondo has a history of taking possessions off and gambling, his anticipation is typically good, and he can harass ballhandlers and pick balls off of them better than anyone else in the league right now, mostly due to the superior length he has for a player his height.

He's no better than Westbrook (also tall for a PG) at on-ball defense - Westbrook actually has better lateral quickness - and while Rondo gets steals, er, so does Chris Paul.

No, he isn't. He is the better scorer, but a far worse floor general. And yes, the playoffs are in April, but Rondo tends to turn it on pretty come playoff time himself.

Westbrook's role isn't to be a "floor general" - it's to be Russell Westbrook. He's the second offensive option, playing off one dynamic threat who can create with the ball in his hands. Entirely different scenarios. Still, Westbrook on the Celts > Rondo on the Celts.

Sorry, pal. Can't score any points on me with this one :-P

Gotta play all the cards I can in battles for e-credibility, you know?

Everyone's overall game is flawed. I couldn't care less about the highlight reel, either.

Yes, but Rondo's game is more deeply flawed than Westbrook's.

I could launch into a whole other argument about how Rondo and Rose are consumerism driven marketing devices; hero worship and legacies sell, and Westbrook for all intents and purposes is worth about as much as Josh Smith, meaning Disney (ESPN) et al have a much greater interest in making you think Rondo and Rose are superstars. Basketball itself begs to differ, however. Westbrook is the superior player.

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Date: 11/24/2010 6:49:26 PM
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Rondo is also a different player from the guy two years ago who wouldn't bother to keep the opposing PG in front of him.

If you don't think he still has lapses defensively and can't be taken to the hole with ease, you don't watch the Celtics very much. If he played in the West, he'd be abused regularly.

It works both ways, really. Rajon Rondo's role is not to take jumpers, it's to set up his four hall-of-fame teammates for wide-open shots.

You mean, the one-dimensional shooter with bad ankles, the effective yet aging melodramatic scorer, the decent but no longer great offensive PF, and the formerly relevant space eater ;)

but yes, each player has his own role. Put Westbrook into Rondo's role, however, and he excels. Reverse it, and Rondo struggles.

Not to mention, Pierce is not a Hall of Famer. No way. Bernard King isn't in the HOF! He's one of the best scorers to ever play the game! Him and Mark Aguirre are still waiting for election and both were far better players than Pierce in his prime.

GM-Edit: Please avoid using profanity. Remember that there are some younger individuals who also play this game and roam the forums. Thanks.

Last edited by RiP at 11/24/2010 9:40:31 PM

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Date: 11/24/2010 9:41:25 PM
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Ok, perhaps it's none of my business and I shouldn't care, but why is it that all GM's are so quick to close threads in BB-Global that should be in the Help forum; yet, they let topics like this one exist in the help forum that haven't been help forum material for days? A little consistency would be nice, please.

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Date: 11/25/2010 5:13:28 AM
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The problem is that there is no main off-topic forum for managers to use for discussions like this. The non-BB national folders are difficult to get to and there's not much posted in them (for most countries, anyway).


which would still make then the right place at the point when it is just about if rondo better then westbrook etc.

But i think the topic start are at the right point, and why not allowing a bit off topic in here.

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Date: 11/25/2010 5:40:51 AM
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Paul Pierce should be in the HOF, cos hes been one of the celtics best and longest players.
Here is a list of the most likely to make HOF who are still currently active.

Rank Player HoF Prob
1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
3. Tim Duncan 0.9999
4. Kevin Garnett 0.9979
5. LeBron James 0.9866
6. Dwyane Wade 0.9830
7. Paul Pierce 0.9632
8. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9245
9. Ray Allen 0.9200
10. Jason Kidd 0.9174

and OMG Steve Nash is 20th! behind the likes of T-mac and Vinsanity.. is it because hes Canadian? Outrageous!!!

11. Vince Carter 0.8796
12. Tracy McGrady 0.7429
13. Tony Parker 0.5637
14. Gilbert Arenas 0.4796
15. Grant Hill 0.4720
16. Pau Gasol 0.4607
17. Carmelo Anthony 0.4455
18. Amare Stoudemire 0.4304
19. Chris Bosh 0.4185
20. Steve Nash 0.3787

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Date: 11/25/2010 5:46:14 AM
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I'm actually really enjoying the discussion going on here and it makes me wish I could actually watch basketball games on tv here in holland.

And since the non-BB forums of USA and my own country are both pretty dead, I'm glad there's some leeway here.

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