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Well I think that everyone can make a short calculation after the first 2 weeks so you can decide if keep your roster or sell someone, I'm 100 times more worried about the drop of market prices, who sold before the end of last season will have huge benefit.

Sorry ned,but if you remove money from the team increasing the salaries,they will have less economic availability,an this are going to cause a drop of the market prices.
So the question you're worried about,is strictly related to the first one
It should be a logical reasoning ;D

I think the right way to move(from the BB side) should be to give money to who shows to deserve it,not to remove money for all


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 3/23/2010 4:46:26 PM

My weekly player salaries increased by over 24%. Of course I trained players...

I'm curious to see if, after a season in purgatory (last year my fans punished me for demoting from III serie), after a second position in the playoffs, I will be able to increase also my earnings...

I personally think that taking money out of the system is a good thing, but there should be ways for good (or lucky...) managers to enact some countermeasures without totally destroying their teams. Otherwise the system will be even more 'static' (a topic that is being discussed elsewhere...).

I agree but if the market prices drop at the same time for everyone I don't see any problem to pay 3,5m a player that yesterday has been sold for 7m, the question is when someone sold at 7m and can save 3,5m cause BBs changed the "market rules", we are not starting from the same line, I've 1m cash, other teams have 12m cash, if the value of the the best players will drop by the 30% there will be someone that will have an advantage on that...

I agree but if the market prices drop at the same time for everyone I don't see any problem to pay 3,5m a player that yesterday has been sold for 7m, the question is when someone sold at 7m and can save 3,5m cause BBs changed the "market rules", we are not starting from the same line, I've 1m cash, other teams have 12m cash, if the value of the the best players will drop by the 30% there will be someone that will have an advantage on that...

If you haven't the possibility to raise money,you haven't worry about that -.-"

I agree but if the market prices drop at the same time for everyone I don't see any problem to pay 3,5m a player that yesterday has been sold for 7m, the question is when someone sold at 7m and can save 3,5m cause BBs changed the "market rules", we are not starting from the same line, I've 1m cash, other teams have 12m cash, if the value of the the best players will drop by the 30% there will be someone that will have an advantage on that...

I know what you men... a team in my league sold a lot of players at the end ofthe season. He managed to raise 24m.
With prices going rapidly down when so much people is trying to sell their top players for their economic sake combined with the medium term deflation I guess he made a very good move and all the others managers who tried to improve their roster for PO/relegation games... we made some mistakes and we are going to pay for it.

Or you might also say, we already pay a lot for it.

It's been clear for some time that the economy has been in a bubble and would deflate.

My gross salary increase is 60% (c.250k to c.400k) but since I added 56k in acquisitions and 72k of salary value in training last season, my net salary increase is about 7%, less than the 10-15% predicted.

However, my net weekly income looks to have been cut by 40% :-S

So, I feckin' well hope the bubble is well and truly over and prices fall (by about 40% would be nice).

I feel decived by BB´s. They said a long time ago everything was done and the economical stuff had a self-management and now they incresed the salaries? WTF!!!!!! Men, think before doing this kind of things and never do that without explaining such an important matter like this (and unfortunately this is not the 1st time).

Another jungle market again, I started to bore this management :(

Edit: oh yes, one line dedicated to such huge matter, nice!!!!

And...is PF and Centers training death? Have you killed it? I think so.

This is self management. If the game requires a rise in salary, you'll see a rise in salary. If the game requires a decrease in salary, you'll see a decrease in salary. That's exactly what a self-regulating system acts like.
We already announced in the Allstar Break, almost 2 months ago, that we expected the salaries to be 10-15% higher this season.

is it really self managing, if you reduce the value of additional skills on high level - the value of players sink who get trained to this level which result also in players who aren't trained to the high skills. Because nowadays i could have a 800k rooster, and the home team with 500k salary will be the favorite i loose money and the other team make big profit with similiar succes - the result was reducing the overall quality to shorter training periods and maybe soemday the overall top levell was on one level.

Wasn't the target that top players aren't something just for national team, and that they should stay at least payable for top division team who make a "star" lineup? Those star was pretty unattractive before, and they get more and more unattractive because teams who don't have them get more money, which they now won't invest in that players.

Shouldn't the increase on a middle level higher then on the top level to force teams to get higher payrolls, because they get an real advantage through it.

Self-managed or not, previously announced or not, good or not for the whole game health, the fact is that many BB users will have to face "again" another economic earthquake. We will probably survive again to another strong change, which curiously comes right now that the market seemed to be quite recovered from the last economic disaster (masive injection of money in teams two seasons ago).

Another season starts and another season that we are mostly discussing about economy... Those who sold or bought players at the right moment will get a good advantage.
Those managers who do not care very much about the market movements will have to find another basket game to enjoy the strategy and tactic options of the former BuzzerBeater.

"BuzzerBeater, the best simulation game of real market economy" (with a cool live basket viewer).

I think people need to seperate out two different things that happen at the start of the season.

As Joseph started this thread, salary changes are on the order of 5-10% depending on what salary range you are looking at.

Second, all the players in the game got better.. as they do every season, sometimes massively better and so everyone's payrolls shoot up by large amounts at the start of the season... that's why you are seeing these 50% increases people are discussing. I think people are blaming the salary increase for what really is the effect of training.

Its true, if you do not promote and your players get better, you might have to sell some of them in order to keep your teams payroll in an affordable range for your division.

The game is designed so that everyone in the same division is on a roughly equal playing field, and can try to be strategic about training and recruiting prominent players, and putting together a talented but affordable roster, in hopes of promoting to a new division, where you will have more resources to buy better players and will soon be able to compete on that new, but hopefully also level playing field.

Another thing to keep in mind, is that salaries are not going to continue to go up indefinitely, what we have said is that we want to keep the upper level salary costs about the same... we thought that they would be going up faster than they actually did at first, and that's the reason for this current bump, but going forward we anticipate balancing the increase in skill a the top end with a decrease in the salary formula so that the top end players continue to cost what they cost right now, even as they get better.

So if someone wants to make the argument that the top level teams cannot afford the current salaries they can try.. but i know the numbers and top division teams were making a lot of money last season, and this salary increase put a dent in their profit.. but didn't make it impossible to run a team.

All those that were clamoring about inflation should also be satisfied, and lower transfer prices will mean less profit to be made with day trading, and will put focus away from the economic factors.

When you zoom out and look at the changes we have made over the last 2-3 seasons, I think you can see that we have been trying to make inter division competition more even, tried to avoid having players that are not affordable to have on your team, and have tried to make these changes as slowly as we could possibly imagine in order to lessen the impact... of course, changes have transitory impacts. An auto-adjusting economy doesn't mean that there will never be adjustments, we just hope that we settle into a nice equilibrium. Clearly we aren't there yet...

Second, all the players in the game got better.. as they do every season, sometimes massively better and so everyone's payrolls shoot up by large amounts at the start of the season... that's why you are seeing these 50% increases people are discussing. I think people are blaming the salary increase for what really is the effect of training.

i got +150, and maybe 30k of them was through training with the existing formulas ;)

So if someone wants to make the argument that the top level teams cannot afford the current salaries they can try.. but i know the numbers and top division teams were making a lot of money last season, and this salary increase put a dent in their profit.. but didn't make it impossible to run a team.

not impossible, but the teams who making profit still doing it, the team who was close to zero now make big minus in average the change was succesfull but i thing the target was messed because lot higher payrolls brings few "bonus" which will decrease the value and the motivation to bring player to top level now even U21 are close to overpaid players not only the NT players.
Maybe not all are forced to sell, but i don't feel that i had an big advantage about a team who pays 300k less with similiar sideskills at the players, because top level skills are so expensive(and logical step against would be reducing the cost myself to get maybe more balanced players with the profit, and not to be afraid of bancrupcy if i miss the conference titel)

All those that were clamoring about inflation should also be satisfied, and lower transfer prices will mean less profit to be made with day trading, and will put focus away from the economic factors.

mmmh really, if i daytrade betwen players who are worth 1,5 Million and selled for one million, i could do the same with lower prices only the salarys are a bit higher ;) But i had to do fewer trades to get a high skilled player, which makes it more attractive(especially in combination with the taxes). And because of the taxes, the trading mostly appears in the cheap amrket and works with qunatity and player who you could sell for the multiple buying price(aand this market isn't affected at all).

So if someone wants to make the argument that the top level teams cannot afford the current salaries they can try.. but i know the numbers and top division teams were making a lot of money last season, and this salary increase put a dent in their profit.. but didn't make it impossible to run a team.

i didn't run profit last season, so could i afford it this season?