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From: Rycka

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182276.45 in reply to 182276.43
Date: 4/23/2011 7:09:11 AM
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first of all i won III after two seasons :) i'm in II now, and i'll try not to relegate even though i'm underdog. i thought i'm underdog when i promoted to III too, but finished 4th first season. believe me, i didn't thought that was possible with salary's like mine.

i always had bigs with reasonable SB (well ofc it wasn't high strong-prominent) and i did feel that this skill is working. never had a feeling like, oh my why didn't he do anything, he has SB! never.

ofc it's a matter how trainee is generated, sometimes it's just not worth it to train some skill from atrociuos. but what i wanted to say with this small sample. you can train good players. even for u21.

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182276.46 in reply to 182276.1
Date: 4/23/2011 9:29:31 AM
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There was once an American football MMORPG called Goal Line Blitz. It had inherent flaws, but it was still reasonably fun - until managers started complaining about the game every time something went wrong for their team. This allowed them to blame their troubles on the game, instead of taking responsibility and working to succeed within the current game. Admins listened to too many of these complaints and changed the game rapidly, causing new problems every season, and the game is now a ghost town, where even the most dedicated managers only play because they bought too many "flex points" and don't want to waste their money.

I love BB because it's avoided going down this path. However, I've been troubled by some of what I've heard around the BB forums. The salary floor, for example, was implemented as a response to complaints about tanking teams - a noble cause, surely - but it ignored the plight of teams promoting into leagues they can't compete in anyways. The 2-3 zone is said by many managers to be "broken," even though there has been little to no use of the defense with forwards with OD and a center with SB. If 2-3 is changed because of the complaints of managers who are just upset they lost games when they tried playing it with a 4 OD PF, that might be it for me.

Changes should not be reactionary. I think the BBs generally do a great job of this, but seeing that this offseason contained quite a few changes, I think it would be wise to halt any non-cosmetic changes for a calendar year. The strategy of over-tinkering with the game engine, financial system, etc. will only result in another GLB, a dying hulk of something once great, but destroyed from within.

Great post. You may be be accused of being Czech sooner or later :-)

From: Rycka

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182276.47 in reply to 182276.46
Date: 4/23/2011 1:17:37 PM
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:D

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182276.51 in reply to 182276.41
Date: 4/23/2011 10:39:58 PM
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Thanks for your questions, too. Always good to reasonably talk things out.

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182276.52 in reply to 182276.48
Date: 4/23/2011 10:42:16 PM
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In what context is SB too expensive? It could be a hint that the primaries of bigs are generally way too high, although this also could be a problem with the game.

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Date: 4/25/2011 5:59:19 PM
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I think you mischaracterize the situation by saying that there is a danger that they might do something based on the recent discussion. They may do something because several seasons of semi-completely ignoring 2-3 has left the game extremely unbalanced.

I obviously believe that Charles is right that under specific circumstances a 2-3 / SB combo is doable even in the current engine. But it's unclear what that means: even if there are circumstances in which SB helps, the other skills seem to be useful in a much larger variety of circumstances.

I think what Charles has to say goes hand-in-hand with the sentiment that today's "behemoth" players are inefficient and should be trained differently, hence the salary penalty. There's an arms race to build the best guards and bigs, but efficient and versatile players for the most part don't exist.

When I saw the title of your post, I thought it was an argument against making changes that had not been announced enough in advance. I would have agreed with that, but I guess I disagree with the reason that motivates you: I don't find that the BB cave in too early to pressure on obvious point, but rather that they usually cave in too late (witness tanking: first they said there wasn't a problem, made up some numbers that you'd ber worse off, and then ended up seeing the light of reason and changing things anyway...)

I still think the salary floors were implemented too hastily, because some teams got screwed in the process for doing nothing but competing and promoting. I'm motivated because I think the BBs would make changes more effectively if the community didn't expect them to be made ASAP. Maybe it took a long time for the salary floors to be implemented, but how much of that was spent trying to tell the managers they weren't needed, instead of exploring solutions? My point is that the dialogue between BBs and community, and the resulting alterations made to the game, could be improved.

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