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In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

If that is true that is a really damming stat. Wow.

ok, so first of all, just because i didn't post much doesn't mean i don't read the threads before i post a reply. so don't make any quick assumptions.

now, the NBA is just one of the many basketball associations. arguably the best but again, its rules are applied to a small group of teams. you can't apply the same system to entire BB nation.

having a d-league that semi-trains players would not help in any way. simply put, players that are not good enough and are trained in d-league will forever remain in d-league. if you don't train a player properly in the first years there is no way that he will evolve enough to play "pro".

the only solution that i see to insert d-league would be to replace the current draft system. basically you could have a second team for scouting talents and play them in games.
but that would mean that in draft day, every other manager from your league should be able to draft your player to keep the draft rules intact.

but i think it would complicate the game structure too much. and what happens if all the managers from your league don't want to have a d-league team. or don't scout a lot. you would have less good players in the draft than other managers that have a more active d-league.

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

have you ever thought that simply they are better managers ? i mean, they have the experience and all. and as a matter of fact i actually look up to them for staying so long in the game. that is the challenge for new managers. to beat the old ones. it doesn't have to be easy. it wouldn't be fair to be easy.

plus, their players get old, exactly like yours. if they haven't been training or purchasing younger talent they will be in trouble.

i don't say the system is perfect .. and i as well have pondered on this subject if there is a rift between old teams and new teams and how that rift could be filled. however, i think that through good economic management, good training plan and a little bit of draft luck you can get in higher divisions. i hope to prove you that in next 2-3 seasons :D

don't worry man, there is plenty of "bb-managing" to be done. i'm certain that you will see that once you play through more seasons.

Last edited by andrei_r at 1/3/2012 8:12:48 PM

It is true.
I'm not sure if it is upon season 18 (current) or previous (17), but it is easy (except about the half an hour checking) to verigy that.

It is not supprising - each season any team adds to her assets (Players, Arena size, money, etc.), so the difference between someone who started earlier is just absurd.

Features like a Cap-salary (for example) had been set on the NBA for dealing with that.

ok, so first of all, just because i didn't post much doesn't mean i don't read the threads before i post a reply. so don't make any quick assumptions.

In case you got offended by that, I appologize. It was not my intention.

D-league is parallel to current training and draft.

A player who decided to put himself to the draft may be fit to be elected (as he has good potential), but not yet fit to play on the "grown up" league.
This is why they may get some extra training in the D-League before returning to the team who selected them.

There is no D-League managing.
You can refer to it as an "outsourcing" training camp.
You send players and orders to train, and your player is get trained (maybe it even will be better if the personal training each player gets is random).

The training on D-league will be slower than the training on his own team.

The cost of that process will be a percentage of that player salary, and may even be upadated weekly upon his new skills value, in contradiction to players who are in your roster.

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

have you ever thought that simply they are better managers ?

Do you mean that the best managers came at the first for seasons, and all others (additinal 14 seasons!!!) are just not worse than those ones? I hope you can see that this is just cannot be true.

Each year, each team gets more assets (players, arena size, etc.) the difference is not getting smaller between the new teams and the old once (who posseses the same BB-manager quality).

don't worry man, there is plenty of "bb-managing" to be done. i'm certain that you will see that once you play through more seasons

Currently I am using all BB-manging skills, as I am at the third divisions.
On the higher divisions there are less BB-manging skills that can actually be used.

you forgot to mention, that the game didn't changed the last seasons, and when this is implemented next season there ain't other teams in those league then younger ones ;)

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

If that is true that is a really damming stat. Wow.

there are many big nation who show something else, but beeing there is staying there isn't true anymore. First season, the income/salary configuration in those league was a joke, so that you could stay there quite easy... But what Pini forget in the stats, that this game made some big changes in the past, and also the player level increased nearly every season up to this point, so that his claim that all teams up there earn money every week is simply wrong then in average i believe we lost money since a while.

you forgot to mention, that the game didn't changed the last seasons, and when this is implemented next season there ain't other teams in those league then younger ones ;)

Have no clue what you are trying to say.

In three of the largest BB-nations, who consists of 1/4 of all BB-nation (France, Spain and Italy) there is not a single team at the first division who had joined later than season 4!!!

If that is true that is a really damming stat. Wow.

there are many big nation who show something else, but beeing there is staying there isn't true anymore. First season, the income/salary configuration in those league was a joke, so that you could stay there quite easy... But what Pini forget in the stats, that this game made some big changes in the past, and also the player level increased nearly every season up to this point, so that his claim that all teams up there earn money every week is simply wrong then in average i believe we lost money since a while.

Basicalty you are trying to play with the numbers and mix him with the stats, but they are not one that can be mistaken upon.

1)

Many nations that show something else.

a) Which?
b) How many users they include?
c) Where those old users went? I'm betting that (as already written), that they just got bored and left the game or the division in order of realy experiencing BB-managing.
This had been said to be true by a user before.

d) And that is the main argument here - WHY those three hugh nations has such a portfolio that cannot be mistaken for.
It seems that you are going around the bush to ignore this fact.

2)

i believe we lost money since a while

a) Each user's team is the biggest asset one has.
You did not lost money if you imroved your roster.
b) If that was the case, than new users whould have catch your place in the first division, as money buy players.

3) Remind us on which season did you joined the game?

How does answering question 3) add to the discussion?

Let me rephrase -

4) Pini, remind us, to fend of the point that you´re just jealous and impatient, which season did you join the game?

And funny you´re still quoting selective stats. By saying "in three of the largest BB-nations" you mean "in the other large nations, this is not the case", right?

a) Which?
b) How many users they include?
c) Where those old users went? I'm betting that (as already written), that they just got bored and left the game or the division in order of realy experiencing BB-managing.
This had been said to be true by a user before.

you forgot the reply of the BB to that already, mostly all other bigger nations.

a) Each user's team is the biggest asset one has.
You did not lost money if you imroved your roster.
b) If that was the case, than new users whould have catch your place in the first division, as money buy players.

as you stated my team get older, which means my player also lost value. Also the salary paid is lost money for me, and that eaten up the income from the bigger arenas ;) And training high skilled player in the market also don't increase the value.

3) Remind us on which season did you joined the game?

end of season two or 3. And remind me when i said that we need to reduce the income of div 1 teams*, i stated that pretty often at least to season 12. So maybe i can not only see basic, economical relation maybe i even have experience with that game.

*That had probadly to do with my egoistic approach to the game, as you will explain me soon ;)


Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/4/2012 7:16:53 AM

How does answering question 3) add to the discussion?

Let me rephrase -

4) Pini, remind us, to fend of the point that you´re just jealous and impatient, which season did you join the game?

And funny you´re still quoting selective stats. By saying "in three of the largest BB-nations" you mean "in the other large nations, this is not the case", right?

I was totally "shocked" to see that you tried to throw the ball away, as you know that he joined on Season 2!!!

You are a Season-6 team that only now got to the second division for the first time.
This proves what I've already written - starting early on this game does not make you an high division team. You also need to be a decent BB-manager.
But being a good BB-manager will not help you getting to the first division in case there are decent BB-managers who just started earlier, and who enjoys the eBay-game.

It was "amazing" to see that you have no answer to the fact about this three huge BB-nations.
You are welcome to go over all other BB-nations, and find out this stats, but for you to prove your point you will need also to give information what have happened to those who started prior season-4, and how much had been prior that season comparing current number.
I'm not sure that you are mentally able to do that.

I've started at the end of season-15, and I'm on my way to get to Div-2 on this season or the next.
But, that just not add anything to the conversation, and is just a try to turn eyes from the facts