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I don't see many of these rentals, they are bought for speculation mostly.

Really? I find this tactic is growing more and more common all the time due to the deflation in the transfer market.

I didn't picture it to myself as rentals but on second thought, it's plain rental and can be called that.But I don't relate it to deflation but to tanking. It's one of the byproducts of tanking for me.

I am afraid the BBs don't see all the negative effects the too easy tanking is responsible for.It's not only about fairness blablabla like they talk about. It's disruptive in many ways.

The news say the strategy is not very successful... I don't know what they are talking about. The nocive tanking is the one when teams tank hard and still stay up. It seems they only look at tanking that win leagues.

Tanking? Tanking was around back in the old days too just that not as effective. Why wasn't it effective? Because a whole season of tanking you will be lucky to buy 2 solid players. Now a days if you tank for a season, you can buy 3-5+ gun players with spare cash on hand to go over the soft cap especially tanking in the top divisions.

The only reason why tanking has become such a popular tactic because of the fact that money value is so deflated. Deflated to the point you see these type of transfers. I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't reached equilibrium yet and player prices may continue to fall unless something is done to deter player devaluation. The reason why I say it hasn't reached equilibrium yet is because the BB world need to wait a full cycle for the high potential guys (not allstar*) to all retire to assess what is needed to be done. Whether it be to reduce the number of high potential to be drafted, reduce the number of free agents, set a player salary cap, move playoff transfer deadline earlier or any idea you can come up with. So, the biggest problem isn't tanking but player value.

Last edited by Whitebeard at 8/20/2012 11:44:31 PM

Tanking? Tanking was around back in the old days too just that not as effective. Why wasn't it effective? Because a whole season of tanking you will be lucky to buy 2 solid players. Now a days if you tank for a season, you can buy 3-5+ gun players with spare cash on hand to go over the soft cap especially tanking in the top divisions.

The only reason why tanking has become such a popular tactic because of the fact that money value is so deflated. Deflated to the point you see these type of transfers. I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't reached equilibrium yet and player prices may continue to fall unless something is done to deter player devaluation. The reason why I say it hasn't reached equilibrium yet is because the BB world need to wait a full cycle for the high potential guys (not allstar*) to all retire to assess what is needed to be done. Whether it be to reduce the number of high potential to be drafted, reduce the number of free agents, set a player salary cap, move playoff transfer deadline earlier or any idea you can come up with. So, the biggest problem isn't tanking but player value.

Said like a boss.

Thank you for this intelligent answer.

Some good points and some points I disagree with.

Cash now has more value and is harder to generate. 10 seasons back, nobody was worrying about losing purchasing power but more about gaining more as fast or faster as the others, draftees or trained players were selling for more every new season. So after selling you could buy.
You say a tanking team couldn't have bought 2 solid players. It's wrong because a top team's roster was worth 10M+.They would have sold for good cash because there was not enough trained or half-trained players. So it could buy you back a team without even tanking.
Players were assets. In the case you wanted to rebuild, saving on salaries was not the best strategy, it was better to invest on players, the margin benefit on them was higher. You didn't even have to train them.

I like to pick random examples to illustrate my points.
So let's look at Austalia's ABBL, season 10 : http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/1041/overview.aspx?sea...
The league's winner is : (38624)
The finals last game was played on Dec 12th, 2009.
So to remind us what was going on at the time, let's look at a sold player around this date. The closest is this player.(2452316) .C, 26 yo, sold $ 1 299 000. He was probably more skilled than he is now. what was his avg rating ? S10 : 10.5... Ok player, I guess. what if it was a fluke ? Sold for $ 1 863 000 a few weeks later.
So when somewhat ordinary players sell for this amount and covers you several weeks of salaries, there is really no need to save on them. Salaries are not a problem.
Let's dig it. what was this money for ? with this sell for $ 1 591 900 (I let you look at the player:(669524)), cash was raised to buy this player for $ 3 378 700(3110125).
This was just before the market crash that occured in the beginning of 2010.

All good. So what was the problem ? It looks like heavens.
Older teams had their assets growing and growing. what about new teams ? :) The starter's kit : crap roster, 300k... The gap was becoming unsurpassable.

I'd have a lot more to say about this but I'll leave it there.

He wanted to win and paid top dollar to do that.. Its foolish yes but at same you have to do it at some point in Bb

He wanted to win and paid top dollar to do that.. Its foolish yes but at same you have to do it at some point in Bb

He bought two guys who he couldn't afford to keep for two weeks, at a time where they were playoff ineligible. I am not exactly the greatest thing since sliced toast, but I feel safe in saying I don't have to nor will I do that at any point in my BB career.

Good luck staying in div three, maybe.. just maybe getting into div two!

I like your words.

However, you're missing one very important thing. Building up to a roster of ten mil takes considerable planning and will power. So it's not just a matter of selling your roster and yay! I has millions and millions!

The absolute worst thing about the current market is that, as players get cheaper and cheaper, training becomes less and less a strength. This is a shame because training and developing players is really fun.

However, you're missing one very important thing. Building up to a roster of ten mil takes considerable planning and will power. So it's not just a matter of selling your roster and yay! I has millions and millions!

No, not at the time, it was simply a case of joining in the first few seasons and having the revenues of the top leagues. Of course, they earned it because they managed to get promoted or to not get demoted against the teams they were facing. Other managers had an advantage too and spoilt it or were beaten and lost it. So it's all very fair.

You know this thread in Global that compiles the highest paid players, nice thread. Seasons are archived, it's interesting to look back.I find it fascinating to look at how the game has grown and changed, following rules.

Salaries were much lower since players were not as developed or not in enough stock.I think revenues were a bit lower.But overall, weekly benefits were in the scale of several 100k a week for a 1st tier team !That's with a full competitive roster, not by tanking :)

Not too much planning needed, they were playing the game well like it had to be played at that stage.
So it was just a matter of cashing in and buying the best players. The game was growing, players were trained better and better so after a season the best players were second string players if not trained. They were then sold with a profit since prices were always rising and the rich teams would replace them with the new best players, thanks to the pile of cash they were making every week. Cash was too easy to come, no value... I choosed the 10M figure to include DII teams but the best rosters were worth way more than that.

The point is that tanking was not around in the old days.There was no need for tanking, there were other easy ways of earning cash.
Tanking is a consequence of the difficulty to make cash today. How annoying that the game has turned more difficult :)

I stand by it that most tanking teams are cash trapped or end of cycle teams, they rejuvenate this way, it's the easy way. It's not a smart tactic, it's a desperate one.
I think it's ok if they tank a season, let their team go down a level and rebuild with the cash earned.It's a viable, legitimate and respectable strategy.
It's very different when they buy a team for the last few weeks of the season and stay up, rules should prevent that.

The absolute worst thing about the current market is that, as players get cheaper and cheaper, training becomes less and less a strength. This is a shame because training and developing players is really fun.

As for training, true it's less important than it used to be. It was very very important since at the start all the players had the skills of draftees :). By season 4/5 ?, potential was introduced which has in a way reset the game and is the date of birth of the first generation of players to be fully trained.

Today, the game is developed, there is a large range of players to choose from and even new teams can buy decent players when before they could only buy crap and crapper ( I just had a look at your first purchases, oh memories :D ).
It's normal the game is now less about training, BB is a lot more than training. It was the most important part but it was a phase at the beginning. IMO training is still important and cannot be neglected by most teams. It's cheap for a start. And today cheap is a very nice quality to have :)