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Hmm, I don't see that I wrote anything about BBB being financially disadvantageous. I clearly stated how much I earned in the first two rounds. I still think, this amount does in no way distort the competition in my league (or in any other), if you think otherwise, please give us some hard data instead of these "it is clearly evident" statements.

I like the BBB tournament (with income, training time and injuries), and I would like it even if I was not allowed to play!

I still believe that for some teams B3 is not at all a financial benefit.

I lost my 1st match and I had to play my C and PF way too much resulting in a Gameshape drop. This almost cost me my game yesterday and had I lost that one I could easily have lost more income in my next homegames than I earned in B3.

This is not quite like the Cup - because you have the same number of training spots even when you are not in the cup. In B3 you would have to buy extra trainees to take full advantage of the training. And once you were out - you would need to sell them again.




Last edited by Blacksword at 5/28/2008 5:43:24 PM

Let me suggest even something else that does not require an extra guy: out of the cup?
think a PG or your SF could use a round of inside shot? Go ahead and play them in your scrimmage at no cost. Yes, you'd have to blow some games in your main competition (or perhaps get temporary bacups for your PG and SF), but you could make up for it after you'd be out of B3.

Let me tell you simply - if you are using the scrimmage to train IS for a PG then the PG is going to be 3rd reserve at best... or do you expect BBB teams to just overplay their players in order to get training???

As others have said you start the week with great intentions and by weds you just hope you have enough of a roster left to field on thurs (scrimmage OR cup)

Of course now 6 players are easy to train... if you can squeeze 7+ or have a few players get 20mins with an outside chance of popping then this is better than nothing but i think it is very hard to plan to train 8 players...

Next week for the first time I can and should train my youngest 7 irrespective of my opponent.. my 8th youngest should also get decent court time too...

You have hit the nail on the head. Well said.

I am affraid you are right. It's pretty straight forward, but it's too easy for the people WHO ARE IN BBB to complain about the pains of having extra money in their pocket at the expense of an extra training game.

They looked much more intelligent (and the ones who are keeping quiet are smart)when they said nothing and just let the money come in.

A simple solution to this is an Arena use tax. Make it based on size and do it in a hurry before we see our first 30k arenas.

Make it based on size and do it in a hurry before we see our first 30k arenas.

Too late.

Ah money to burn.....or err build.....

Next season the BBs can send the "invite" to partecipate to BBB, you can accept or refuse. I will take an airplain to meet personally the guy that will refuse to play the BBB.

One suggestion for the future; I don't see any reason to apply the rules of PO to BBB regarding enthusiasm, I hope this matter will be changed

I was not talking about my own team in particular. I do have an extra trainees, because I picked up a cheap one in the off season.

But let me give an example for someone training guards (2 positions). (could have been me except I have too many players on my roster).

I believe that the optimal roster would be:
2 C
2 PF
2 SF
6 PG/SG

So there would be 6 trainees, that will get 48 minutes in League and Cup games. Your other playes would all on average 72 minutes. But with B3 they would get 96 minutes on average, which is too much to keep GS optimal.

So anyone in B3 really needs a bigger roster. So they need at least 1 PF to cover C and PF (resulting in 76,8 minutes on average on these position which is fine).

They also need 2 additional trainees, 1 SF and 1 Guard. The SF is needed to get average minutes lower than 96.

So when playing B3 you actually need to have a 15 man roster, for optimal performance. You might decide to go with less players but the performance will take a hit, as GS will drop.

So you will have 3 players on your roster that you do not need, and therefore have to sell or pay salary.

If you sell you will have to pay the agent fee - lets say 10-15% of (3*8000000) which is 240000 til 360000.
With an additional penalty on future sales as well. Or you could keep an have 14 weeks wages (14*10000*3) 420000.

So I believe that these cost are quite significant. And a lot of teams will not even be close to getting this sort of revenue from their B3 games. (I got about 70000 or something like that)

And yes I could keep my drafted players, and then the agent fee would only be 2-3 %, but since I do not really expect a draftee, that is even close to being good enought for the team if I get last pick. And most teams who make it to B3 will have last pick. And even if there is one decent player, you will not get 2 or 3, that is needed to get your roster to 15.

Yes, you'd have to blow some games in your main competition (or perhaps get temporary bacups for your PG and SF), but you could make up for it after you'd be out of B3.

In a tough division losing games could easily cost the Championship, as homecourt advantage is very important in the playoffs. And I believe winning the championship is the most important moneymaker.


Don't get me wrong - I really like B3, but I do not think it is a huge financial for most of the teams in it.