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Everyone keeps trying to make the draft so complicated because of a fear that players will trade info, but I don't see what the big deal it about. I don't think it is that likely anyway.
There would have to be multiple friends in the SAME division and the SAME league that are willing to share info. They need to both spend large amounts in scouting for it to be any use. They both would have to scout the exact same player for any info to be of any use, and there is no way to be sure that they both scouted the same player or just a similar player. There is no names associated with drafts so they can't both choose to scout the same player. And even by some chance all of this came together they MIGHT be able to share info on 1 or 2 players max, and the chance that the player is a great player worth collaborating over is very small. Also, why would they collaborate anyway, it is still a competition and one of the collaborators would have a lower league standing than the other, so why would the guy with the winning team help the other guy and hence make all the money he spent on scouting useless as the other guy would use his picks to get the players that you collaborated over, and his pick will go first as he is lower in the league standings. And even if it was to happen by some small chance, chances are one of them will be relegated or advance and then they will be in different leagues and it's not an issue anymore.

Just make the draft have 48 players, each week you can select to scout 1, 2, 3 or 4 players (or 2 players twice etc) and you can select which of the 48 players you want to scout and how many times. All 48 players are identified by number and not name, and this order is different for every person in the league. If you do not select which players you wish to scout then it will automatically scout random players. Also, I believe you are given 14 initial scouts in the current draft system and this could carry over to the new system so you start with a list of 48 players, and 14 players show some info (or 7 show extra info etc).

You probably would not see why direct trading would be bad aswell etc.
The problem lies with the fact that if people want, it can be done. You can trade players for one week aswell with ludacrisly high transfer price but you will get corrected for it -> thus losing money. We are not talking about some 4-th league abuse. Because who needs to abuse anything in the 4-th league? There are plenty of bots and you will be promoting fast anyway.
In top division noone has to relegate or promote for trading info to have effect. 1 team scouts every player, getting to know all of those 5 star skills players (highest ranked team). The other two teams focus on rescouting those 5 starred players etc (highest ranked team then can choose his players based on 5 starred players positions).
Scouting should be fair, with info tradeing it's not fair. If you have friends in your league, or can make deals to share that info, you can invest 10k and still get info worth 40k or more. That's the problem.
I believe I have said enough on this matter, I believe BB's will do what is best for everyone.

first i do like and respect you for wanting to make the game better but i do strongly disagree with you on this one

what is the problem? the current system is boring and illogical so we need to make it more fun

solution - weekly scouting

there have been lots of great suggestions and i guess the bbs will choose the way they want to do it if there ever is a change but for fun the basic idea should be

1) a blank list of 48, 60 whatever randomly numbered players
2) each week you choose who you scout
3) scouting spending is the same as it is now
4) first scouting reveals some basic information more scoutings reveal more
5) at the end of the season all players recieve their 14 free random scoutings

there will there be the possibility to swap information but so what in my league there are max two people i trust and i will be picking before one and after another so i dont really want the lower team to steal the guy i "discover" and what motivation does the top player have for helping us at all

even if you swap information it is worthless if you havent scouted that player enough to identify them

even then the draft is far from perfect even if you scout 5 ball skill and 5 ball potential you can still end up with a high draft pick who is 18 $4500 wages but a 7'0" PG or has an atrocious in a critical area i have seen these

direct trading would wreck this game as it is end of story

Yes making the team use the draft points he gains during that week would help with the sharing info problem. Use the points during the week or they are used randomly.
Now with getting the draft at the start of the season, creates another problem:D We have all seen those All Star game results before it has been played. What if something goes wrong with the draft and everyone sees the full info for a few hours or so? That would really be bad.

even if you swap information it is worthless if you havent scouted that player enough to identify them

If one team has scouted all players once he sees: 5 star players -> 1PG, 2SG,3SF,1PF,2C - 4 star players -> etc.
You kind of have the idea who is who.

Sorry but I still don't understand how you think people are going to cheat.
You are suggesting that 1 person (the top person in the league) scouts every player?
Then what?
Why is this person helping the other people? If he is top of his league he won't be spending much on scouting.

Maybe he has friends that help him to be there instead of someone else?
You help someone to get something back. He invests enough to scout every draftee once. The second scouting will be done by the other teams. Thus getting the max info with minimal spending. I'm not going to get into this again. If you can't see how it can be done, then there is no point for me to explain it once more.
Everyone wants to maximize the draft, so you get the best player you could draft at your position. People who scout alone will pay more for less info -> and will prolly miss out on some of the talent.
I have seen that people seem to think sharing info is not a big problem. Perhaps it's not. It takes some time anyway to calculate the actual investing needed by teams involved and about a season to effectivly run it. So that's not a big problem right away.

If one team has scouted all players once he sees: 5 star players -> 1PG, 2SG,3SF,1PF,2C - 4 star players -> etc.
You kind of have the idea who is who.

Sorry but you are paranoiac... How many time everyone have to repeat for you that it`s no use of info about full list of once scouted players if you haven`t scouted them all as well... So just count the money... And still you would know just HEIGHT, AGE and POSITION. Grades and potential would be revealed just after second attempt.

Team 1 has full list. Team 2,3 have done the second scouting on all the 5 star and 4 star players.
There are total of 9 - 5 star players.
PG pot4, SG's pot4,pot4, SF's pot1,pot3,pot3, PF pot1,C's pot2,pot3.
Same can be done with 4 star players. So for the 1-st team you have enough info to make the best draw considering you are on the lower end in drafting position. 1-st team gives the two other teams the number of 5 and 4 star players in the draft, getting back the list of players to avoid. Like the 5 star PF etc.
I am paranoid, but you are blind :D

Last edited by Kukoc at 2/14/2010 6:55:56 AM

Team 1 scouts everyone once. Team 2 can't do the second scouting until it has done the first scouting. And it can't do the first scouting on the 5 star players because there is no way to tell which player is 5 stars.

Lets consider this:
There are 5 players in the draft.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Team 1 scouts them all once.
1. 1 piece of info
2. 1 piece of info
3. 1 piece of info
4. 1 piece of info
5. 1 piece of info
But team 2 and team 3 still see:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
i.e. nothing.
Now lets say player 4 is the only 5 star player.
According to you team 1 will tell team 2 and 3 to scout this 5 star player.
But there is no way for team 2 and 3 to know which player is the 5 star player as number 4 in Team 1's list is number 1 in team 2's list and number 5 in team 3's list.
Team 2 and team 3 would have to scout the players once until they managed to find out which 1 is the 5 star player.
Now they have scouted the players once, and they know which is the 5 star player.
But Team 2 and Team 3 had to do their own scouting! They couldn't use anything that Team 1 told them.

how you`ll know those of them are 5* or 4* players if you`ve scouted them just once???

How you`ll be able to compare your lists if you haven`t scouted all the players twice to get some useful info to compare...

How all those teams will scout all the list twice if it`s impossible to do in the time you have?


The only thing you can do is that X teams cooperate and firstly scout hole list once spending 40k/week:

48 team would cost 48/4*40k= 480 000 for each cooperating team (12 weeks)

then they are working on PGs, so you would probably see 48/5=9.6 PGs, so let it be just 8 in this case
4 team are sure that they have 8 PG in the list and wont miss any of them as they have scouted hole list
Now they have to reveal 2 part of info as HEIGHT and AGE do not say much about players abilities

8 players (4 of them has PG, M, 18yo) so they all have to scout those 4 players to compare something

4/2*40k= 80 000 each team (2 weeks)

it`s already 480k+80k= 560 000 each team (14 weeks)

then you have to scout other 4 players (those are totally different comparing info), so if there is:

2 teams cooperating it would cost 40k each (1 week)

so finally you have Rating, potential, grade, height and age about all 8 PGs on the list spending 600 000 and 15 weeks each team.

I wont go farther as the season has just 15 weeks and you still can`t be sure about the info you have as there can be some same info about grads and potential, and you haven`t scouted anyone of them 3 times so you cant compare which one is better...

And If I alone scouted best player you have on you list too, so all of those teams cooperated loose at least 560k each as I have better draft pick ;)

Peace mate (=

Last edited by ZyZla at 2/14/2010 7:31:55 AM

Ofcourse teams will need to scout some players first time aswell. But they know how much 5-4 star players there are to look for.
So to those that still do not understand, team 1 only goes for the number of good skilled players in draft. The other teams scout randomly until they find such players. Then scout all of those twise after that they compare the results.