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247970.46 in reply to 247970.44
Date: 9/21/2013 3:30:12 PM
KS Goldena
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What do you exactly expect? I can't tell you what I will play and whose players I will use because I don't know skills...I believe I have skills and knowledge to maximum use the potential of the team. I proved it many times.

By the way...I searched the forum and I didn't find a post where Bbalin wrote how SPECIFICALLY he intend to achieve goal.

@Bbalin

How SPECIFICALLY do you intend to achieve your goal?

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247970.48 in reply to 247970.41
Date: 9/21/2013 3:48:26 PM
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Right now there is a pretty good debate going on, on the offsite about next seasons roster and most of it seems to be focused on the SF position. We have many options, SG, PF, inside SF, outside SF and balanced SF.

Personally I want to take a PF(Hall) and a LI SF(Labbe, Bradshaw, Hudgins), but my main issue is that we play a lot of blank lineups in out bigger matchups and the GE plays Stronks at SF a lot. So im also considering taking Hall + 5 bigs and then 6 guards. I dont think we have any worries about EAK leaving though. As good of a SF as he was and being without a doubt Canadas best SF ever, he was never elite and wont be hard to replace.

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247970.49 in reply to 247970.46
Date: 9/21/2013 3:56:36 PM
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- Teaming up with the U21 manager so that I can ensure that superstar+ players are trained and set up well for success at the NT level.
- Constant communication with managers of NT players and possible callups to ensure training and GS is kept in check.
- Exploring the best possible roster decisions each and every week depending on GS, training and callups.
- Maintaining Canadas NT Depth Chart so managers know where their players stack up.
- Creating an NT training guideline to help newer managers with trainees to better their chances at training Canadas next superstar.
- Beginning to encourage the training of JR and SB with the new salary and potential cuts that they have in order to strengthen Canadas ability to play more than one tactic.
- And then the basics, Scouting, Picking the best players for the roster, Gameplanning threads, Wise tactics and enthusiasm use. All that good stuff.

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247970.50 in reply to 247970.42
Date: 9/21/2013 4:11:50 PM
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What you did? Be honest.


None of those things, I have yet to be dishonest, but You cannot argue that I only lost one game that I shouldve won. I think it was a successful term by those markings and anything You can bring to the table wouldnt have changed those three results.

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247970.51 in reply to 247970.50
Date: 9/21/2013 4:18:17 PM
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My question to all candidates is what will you do to go out of your way to help/motivate those new managers that are on the fence about liking this game? I've only been playing for a couple of seasons and no NT coach has ever contacted me.. Now this isn't about me complaining, rather pointing out, what are we doing to ensure not only that new managers get hyped about this game, but also about how to help train those managers up to help your program and country in the long run ?

(Don't forget about the little guys... or in this case the little girls!!!)

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247970.52 in reply to 247970.44
Date: 9/21/2013 4:52:02 PM
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To be fair, he is working at a huge disadvantage as he doesn't know the specific skill sets of any of the players.

That said, with bballin's overall contributions to Canada and the National Team programs I see absolutely no reason to make a change here. On top of all that bballin is always open to discussing the tactics for each game on the off-site forum so even if he does make a coaching mistake it's not because he's doing anything that is against popular opinion (not that he's made any major tactical mistakes that I can see this past season).

Kozlik, under different circumstances I could see you candidacy as a much needed infusion in the NT program. As it is I even considered voting for you 2 seasons ago but at this moment in time there's absolutely nothing that you could say or do that could convince me to throw my vote your direction this time around. Sorry bud.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 9/21/2013 4:55:10 PM

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247970.53 in reply to 247970.46
Date: 9/21/2013 4:57:43 PM
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The difference is that Bballin has a history and we know what he could do - you don't have a history with us, you are an unknown factor. Perhaps it is unfair on our part to be demanding, but in all fairness you have to specific not necessarily in tactics but we do want specifics in your global strategy - which means more than - I want to finish first - if that was the case then I should be NT manager because that is what I want too (no - I am absolutely not running).

Bballin in his most recent post has provided specifics, concentration on the SF position that is deemed to be lacking (whether that is true or not is a discussion for another day) but at least it is a specific plan of action. Do you now understand what I mean? You must have seen the NT roster, you must have an idea of strengths and weaknesses. You must have a plan how to address these issues not just for this coming season but also for future growth. That is what I want to read from you and don't worry about what Bballin has posted or not - your concern is to be better than he is. So be proactive, don't point fingers show us that you deserve this position. I am not being hostile or nasty, I am simply being demanding from someone who wants my vote.

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247970.54 in reply to 247970.42
Date: 9/21/2013 5:00:56 PM
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It wasn't bbmail. I expressed a desire to help on forum. (238540.9). You didn't answer...

If that was it, I really can't blame Bballin on that. It may have been an issue of language that wasn't as strong as intended, but I think if I received that message, I probably wouldn't have responded either. In the future, it may be good to invite kozlik to the offsite if he doesn't win and still interested in helping.

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247970.55 in reply to 247970.54
Date: 9/21/2013 10:42:49 PM
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I think what should be done here is give a chance to have an actual debate with both candidates being on equal ground, and that means inviting kozlik to off-site forum. Otherwise there is no chance to draw up specific plan.
If that is not done then we can pretty much end the discussion right here because its pointless.
Also, for those people disregarding the past. How else do you judge manager's knowledge about game engine,tactics, importance of certain skills at specific positions, etc?

So I have one question to managers (that both can answer without knowing NT players skills).

Show me one game that you managed (whether in NT or club) that you have won thanks to certain unusual tactical choice, explain what it was and how it contributed to final result.

Also, regarding a message from one manager. I dont think that its a job of NT coach to write BB-mails to each user. This is pointless, and would take much of valuable time away. New users should post on forum, or at least send a BB-mail with a question themselves. If in that case NT manager doesnt help or refers to a person that can help, then you can blame them, and not for not going through each league in Canada in search of new teams

@beanerz: Long-term plan doesnt require player builds, although depth chart would be immensely helpful, but how do you suggest making a short-term plan without knowing what you have to work with? Unless we are talking about making pretty speech about contacting managers to develop players, write training plans etc. This stuff is fairly obvious and I am sure each candidate is aware that that's part of the job.

Last edited by damian13ster at 9/21/2013 10:44:53 PM

From: kozlik4

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247970.56 in reply to 247970.49
Date: 9/22/2013 7:42:33 AM
KS Goldena
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Second Team:
KS Golden Grizzlies
- Teaming up with the U21 manager so that I can ensure that superstar+ players are trained and set up well for success at the NT level.
- Constant communication with managers of NT players and possible callups to ensure training and GS is kept in check.
- Exploring the best possible roster decisions each and every week depending on GS, training and callups.
- Maintaining Canadas NT Depth Chart so managers know where their players stack up.
- Creating an NT training guideline to help newer managers with trainees to better their chances at training Canadas next superstar.
- Beginning to encourage the training of JR and SB with the new salary and potential cuts that they have in order to strengthen Canadas ability to play more than one tactic.
- And then the basics, Scouting, Picking the best players for the roster, Gameplanning threads, Wise tactics and enthusiasm use. All that good stuff.

In my opinion most of these points is a job for scauts. I really don't know how these points (except encouragement of taking care of the game shape - but it's base, nothing special) can help you win medals...I think you have done pretty much the same for the last two seasons. How did it translate into results?

Of course it is good job...but you can do it without being coach. In my opinion coach is the man with the greatest knowledge who is responsible for coordinating all. Coach can't do everything.

The coach must focus primarily on the match. He should consider all of the options to choose the best and win. The coach can not be limited only to select the best players. These players must fit into the concept of the game.

I have an idea how to use your best abilities. I would like to create a great staff team. I would see you there. I think all together we can do more. My knowledge and experience and your activity. It sounds great.
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Do not worry about checking the players and making the base. I have led Poland NT for 4 seasons. I can do it very well. I have tools to do it quickly and accurately. I will not neglect anything.

Last edited by kozlik4 at 9/22/2013 7:43:02 AM

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