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Africa league 1 - who's in, who's out?

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Date: 6/28/2017 2:03:36 PM
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I don't care about Utopia, I really don't, and I wouldn't use it as an example of anything.

For me it seems that more long-time-manager leaving BB now (after the demotivating Micro-Nation-Debate) than in the last 5 years.

People have been leaving ever since I first signed up for the game. So it would be possible to argue that my arrival is why people are leaving. (Perpete might like that one.) I disagree however. I think there are many reasons people leave. I don't claim mergers will stop people leaving. I'm not convinced anything will.

So, truly it´s a fact, that nobody can say what will happen ... but many manager say so ... especially the loud ones ;-)

Can't argue with that at all. I actually started looking at factual numbers of people leaving just because people were speaking so loudly. If I am one of those loud managers now, then I'm very sorry indeed. :-)




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Date: 6/28/2017 2:34:02 PM
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Nobody mentioned you at all ;-)

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Date: 6/28/2017 2:37:11 PM
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People have been leaving ever since I first signed up for the game. So it would be possible to argue that my arrival is why people are leaving. (Perpete might like that one.) I disagree however. I think there are many reasons people leave. I don't claim mergers will stop people leaving. I'm not convinced anything will.


I think there were one or two users who left for other reasons, so you're off the hook. ;)

(Actually, I just wanted to point out my personal appreciation that you're not falling into the fallacy of assuming that X feature/bug/situation that you're displeased with is the cause of people leaving. I of course expect sound reasoning from you, so I shouldn't be surprised, but it's still nice enough that it actually spurred me to post.)

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Date: 6/29/2017 8:44:58 AM
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Didn't notice anything in the news post about the draft. Does that mean the draft will be the same for an entire continent as it is for a country? Does it seem fair that one or two countries in Africa might be lucky enough to get an NT viable trainee and the others will likely have to make do with lesser potentials? Seems completely wrong to me.

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Date: 6/29/2017 9:48:09 AM
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They need to do something about the draft right now. Not next season or the following.

It would be pointless to have nations without viable or decent players, come on.


Use FA or something, but do introduce into the game some trainees from micronations and specifically for the nations those that are merged. People can pay for them, if they want, at market value, I don't see any problem arising except some FA will be better than others. So agree on the rules (maybe 8 or 9 Potential and 46-52 TSP for 18yo and 56-62 for 19yo) and randomly pick 4 undrafted players for each merged nation to go in FA.

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Date: 6/29/2017 12:20:37 PM
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You can't compaire population with skill. Each country have their basketball system and as you can see, USA have the best one in real life. ;) Population doesn't matter. Lithuania, Latvia are small countries, but they are good at basketball, hockey and other sports. ;)

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Date: 6/29/2017 12:28:30 PM
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Yeah, so far African NTs were so good. If they do bad now it was totally the merge that fucked them!

Anybody considered that it's natural that countries with more managers have better NTs? It's like in reality, the USA has the best NT because there are more people playing basketball there than in the rest of the world.
Look at the scaredy cat, complaining about a sensible approach to a situation which might cause some users to leave. Do you feel the need to penalise others, just because you and Germany couldn't win anything with the NT despite all the long term planning?

The merge penalised them yes. As they were picking ahead of bots they were guaranteed to pick the best players in their drafts if they scouted properly. So they collectively could theoretically pick the best from a dozen drafts. Now they pick from 5 drafts and there are fewer bots.

The point is more general point about micronations. Merging just exacerbate the problem.

Maybe German BB users prefer no competition, maybe they prefer playing fodder at the NT level so they can tell themselves their high SB players do work at that level...until they don't. I don't know.

What problem does it cause you if micronations receive a guaranteed 4 trainable players (not necessarily the managers from those nations) each season? Is it going to make it easier for Germany to fail at the NT level? I don't think so. In fact you should just toss in 4 players for each nation and be done with it. Micros will benefit more and you Germans can stop whining that Senegal or Congo got an unfair advantage over you. Most of these players don't even go for more than 150k and likely less than 50k if they are 8 potential.

Note that, as in real life, the US equivalents of this game, Italy and Spain, will always have the advantage as they have many more drafts to pick from and will naturally get a much higher number of top prospects....


Edit: LOL they hired Morwood after you as the NT manager...I see...

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Date: 6/29/2017 2:28:35 PM
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Sure, I was just trying to make it easier for germany to become world champion because the countries keeping us from doing so in the past were ghana and south africa....
Then what the hell is your problem? Why should we make it harder/more unpleasant for a few hundred users playing in micronations? Let them have their U21 and NT and let it be meaningful. They won't win anything but at least they will still have something to work together as a national community. If more users join all the better, it doesn't change the reasoning, though.

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Date: 6/29/2017 2:51:19 PM
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Basically i was just teasing you guys for acting like Marin destroyed the African NTs with the merge. You're making a big thing out of a disadvantage that is minor compared to the fact how small their countries are. If the merge leads to more African teams it will in the long run benefit their communities and NTs.

So basically your attitude is "they're only small nations, why bother?"

And don't complain I'm misrepresenting what you said, since you've just done that to me.

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