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From: Shoei

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Date: 7/22/2008 10:32:00 PM
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chill mate! chill!

go grab a cold can of pepsi or coke :D

well SB is a specific skill compare to others like jump shot or inside shot it can a fade away, it can be a dunk or a hook shot etc.

well if we eliminate this SB as trainable, we need to come up with something else . . . . we just cant take away something without something to patch it up or else they got only 3 skills to train :D




From: Shoei

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Date: 7/23/2008 12:51:36 PM
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actually SB though how much strong it is but if your opponents skills is also better then its more likely your bothering his shot than making much progress in blocking!

im not sure here though just my thoughts :D

From: vonkrog
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Date: 7/23/2008 4:56:05 PM
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Sorry if i missed something, but:

isn´t it possible, that SB is linked maybe to ID? And for that reason, it´s a little like an "invisible" skill, like HN and DV?

What i want to say: I never read during a game something in regard to Handling or Diving (like: "wonderful dribbling from X" or "Amazing ball-controll from Y") but still i feel that many skills (like JS or IS) are only pretty good in combination with these two.

Couldn´t it be possible, that this is the same with SB? That for example, even if someones throw is not blocked, this throw is not as good against a good blocker than against a bad one? And for that reason, SB is closed linked to ID?

And if this is not the case, maybe we should better discuss to link it to other skills, then rather eliminate it, as just 3 "pure" Inside Skills would remain.

P.S.: GM-Lord of Doom wrote:
I spend a few weeks on block training, and noticed pops in inside defence and rebounding more then in blocking. It might be coincidence, and I need to gather more info on it, but it might be that the 'seconday' trainingskills with the blockingtraining, aren't as 'secondary' as secondaries in other trainingtypes. If this is the case the blockingtraining might be a good way to train these 3 inside skills in a prety good way.


If it is too difficult to link it to other Skills, maybe it could be done in training, that the 2nd training of SB (ID,RB) needs shorter time?

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38060.50 in reply to 38060.42
Date: 7/24/2008 2:01:23 PM
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I'm sure about this. I have seen players that are much worse than my Centers and they wage a lot more, how can that be posible? I know the answer.

The SB are considered as a primary skill, maybe a bit less compared with inside defense for example, but is a primary skill. Whats the problem? It is possible to say that the game understands that having 8 in SB would be for example a 6 or a 7 on inside defense. Then if we replace the defense of the Center with the SB, The player should wage a bit less than before. How can SB affect on players wage? Only we must do the previous procedure but bearing in mind that this time the SB skill is 1. Without doubts there is a great difference because if the player have 1 in SB and we replace it with the inside defense, he would be a great player on inside scoring, rebounds and SB. But if we reason, a player who is very good at these 3 skills but has only 1 in Defense, do you believe that the player could charge very much?

I hope i'm clear.
And sorry for my bad english :)

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Date: 7/24/2008 3:36:56 PM
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One of the USA NT players has 9 in shotblocking, and has a salary of between $40K and $50K

Are you telling me that $20K-$30K of that $40K-$50K is from shotblocking alone?

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Date: 7/24/2008 4:12:05 PM
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I'd be amazed. BB-Charles even said that with multiskills the wages would actually be lower than when a player is briliant in 1 or a few skills.

So I doubt a 4 times (ID,IS,REB and SB) strong (level 8) would ask more wage then a 2 times level 10 (IS,REB), 1 time level 11 (ID) and 1 time level 1 (SB)...

And if you take a player with 1 level 15 (eg IS) and 2 times level 8 (like REB and ID) and 1 time level 1 (SB), he will ask more wage still!

I might doubt between the first 2 players, but eventually go for the first to play in my team, the third here has no change at all to get chosen by me...

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Date: 7/24/2008 9:09:26 PM
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One of the USA NT players has 9 in shotblocking, and has a salary of between $40K and $50K

Are you telling me that $20K-$30K of that $40K-$50K is from shotblocking alone?


I wouldn't say that $20K-$30K is for SB. I would say that shotblocking affect no more than $20K and no less than $10K(if the Player has a 1 in SB). In english I cant explain this very well but I have the evidence to support my opinion.

In fact, I have proved this with my own players and its a fact that SB affects very much on wages...

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Date: 7/24/2008 9:55:46 PM
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From my experience I would say that RB is the most wage intensive skill... closely followed by JR... I'd be interested to hear some NT managers opinions on this.... or can we assume they are all nearly the same and we are all just miscalculating because we dont know the true sublevels?

From: Shoei

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Date: 7/24/2008 11:51:45 PM
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i think i agree with this person,

because even if your good in SB and bad inside D most likely this player would get into foul trouble.

having superior inside D has more skills in positioning and even help defense, now if he is more adept in sb than ID probably he would be blocking no matter what the timing is.

as i have seen a lot of defensive guys who can lock down opponents but not all of them can or are shot blockers.

but how they charge, could it be a certer who has superior SB ask more money than a PF?


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Date: 7/25/2008 11:01:48 AM
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if that's the case, then maybe the problem is about the skill balance...

do i really think i have to have a stupendous shotblocker in order to block a strong inside shooter? or to average 2-3 bpg in a league with strong inside shooters? i don't want to... but i'm close to be getting at it...

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