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Muted players, purchased to win a CUP/avoid relegation

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Date: 3/31/2011 7:31:21 AM
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Because in my eyes impact of lower game shape is not strong enough and even if I accept the idea of lowering game shape it have to be 2 level just as player is bought, 2 level down GS first training and 1 level second training, but not random drop but accurate drop after common GS calculation. And even with this rule I'm not sure it would stop these tricks.

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Date: 3/31/2011 8:44:56 AM
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600k center in average ... is still probably better than 100k proficient...

it might be a solution as those players are transferred very often so they would get -2 drop every week, soon nobody will want to buy them in awful gs... that idea might work, but the previous one with 50% skill usage seems a bit better to me

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Date: 3/31/2011 12:45:33 PM
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These types of players already tend to suffer from low GS because of always changing owners and everyone wants to get the most minutes out of their rentals. A better but more difficult to implement solution would be to introduce something like Team Cohesion or Team Chemistry which I know has been a concept that has been suggested many times. It also seems more realistic too because just because a player gets traded he doesn't become magically fatter or more out of shape, no the negative effet from trades in real life is seen in the impact it has on team chemistry.

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Date: 3/31/2011 3:54:34 PM
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In some sports, NT players are owned by the NT on "central contracts" who loan them out to clubs, but dictate when they play (and thus manage their fatigue).

Something like this could work for Buzzerbeater. At the end of the season, the NT coach could have the option of offering a limited number of players on the NT roster contracts with the NT association (with the owners receiving a standard compensation fee. Owners who turn down the offer would be committed to retaining their player for the following season). These players would be made available by the assocaition for B3 games only, and also play for the NT.

A B3 draft could be held to see who gets which players.

A number of variables would need defining (how game shape is calcluated, how many central contracts are allowed, what the compensation fee is, how the players would be allocated to clubs in B3, what happens to players who lose their central contract at the end of the season) but the essential idea might keep the highest salaried players available for NTs but take them out of league and tournament play where thye do more harm than good.


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Date: 3/31/2011 4:40:43 PM
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The downside I see to that is that at some point you have to "give up" your trainee to the U21 and/or the NT so that the NT can own them instead. If I did the work to train up a kick butt SF for the NT, I wouldn't be too happy if that player was unavailable for any game I wanted to put him in, as opposed to being "allowed" to play him in certain games.

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Date: 3/31/2011 4:55:06 PM
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Hence the provision that clubs can turn down the central contract offer (but then have to keep the player for a set period of time).

This would protect clubs from having their PGs, SGs and SFs taken out of their clubss while allowing to receive some compensation for training PFs and Centres past the point of economic efficiency for their club.

Last edited by Elmacca at 3/31/2011 4:56:02 PM

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Date: 3/31/2011 5:33:22 PM
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That then has the downside of shrinking the pool of available NT players to only the number of coaches that are specifically training a player for that purpose. I can't think there would be many people willing to set aside 200-300K of their team salary for a few seasons to train one up in the *hopes* that that player will be good enough to be taken off their hands. Remember, there are quite a few economically unfeasible but NT worthy guards and SFs out there as well and all that salary comes out of training.

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178639.56 in reply to 178639.50
Date: 3/31/2011 8:58:31 PM
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600k center in average ... is still probably better than 100k proficient...


I guess the 100k would be better in that case ;)

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Date: 4/1/2011 5:11:18 AM
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Not necessarily, that can be controlled by the number of central contracts made available. Also anything upto 300k for a franchise player is economically feasible for top league teams; there are few non big men who earn more than that.

There are quite a few 'farm' teams who do make training an NT player their main purpose, unfortunately. They have a limited shelf life (they all run out of money eventually) and the playes they've created bounce around the TL. With a central contract system, they'd have a different ending. Or at least, the numbers of these players on the TL would be greatly reduced.

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178639.58 in reply to 178639.57
Date: 4/1/2011 6:43:17 AM
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to be honest I don't see much in common between the topic discussed in this thread and latest posts... I see that NT-mutant-idea as a separate suggestion, much more difficult to implement, I'd prefer if it wouldn't get in the way of the discussion started here (another words, I suggest you to open another thread for it)

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Date: 4/1/2011 12:46:01 PM
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players should be on the transfer list for 7 days instead of 3.

and maybe, we need to implement the idea of franchise players...

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