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We have similar promotion/team/arena size/etc give or take (except team strength right now haha)

Your last home game (vs #2 in our league) after a loss:
10510/15269 bleachers @ $20 (69%)
2441/3385 lower tier @ $53 (72%)
443/500 courtside @ $175 (89%)
29/45 luxury @ $1099 (64%)

My last home game (vs #1 in our league) after a loss:
12924/14000 bleachers @ $19 (92%)
2570/3050 lower tier @ $53 (84%)
460/500 courtside @ $172 (92%)
45/50 luxury @ $845 (90%)

Results were unsurprisingly quite similar. You have fewer % in bleachers and luxury because your prices were too high.
Differences in lower tier and courtside could be attributed to: slightly stronger opponent, PR manager level, season ticket holders, slightly different fan ball survey, luck, anything else I'm forgetting...

I think it should be a real easy fix, as I said before, to just take into account 3 or 5 previous games, not just 1.

Similar to real life, if your team is crappy and just wins 1 game, the place isn't going to sell out/nearly sell out the next game. But if you're on a 5 game winning streak... the place will be rocking.

Conversely if your team is good, wins 4 games then drops a close game to a really strong team, all of a sudden fans are not going to stop coming the next game because they are in a "bad mood".

I think we can mostly all agree that some moderation of the large swings is needed.

I've concluded that Canadian fans are too ungrateful. They're clearly a bunch on whiners who are impossible to keep happy.

Perhaps they should stop scheduling BB games against Hockey Night in Canada. At least for the one series a decade that the Leafs are in the postseason. ;)

Fact is...There are very good teams in Division 1

It doesn't matter, there are good teams in every league and I think in most of leagues in whole BB exists team with 9-7 record. Number of wins and defeats is the same in every league. In previous season many teams had worse attendance because they lost against You few days earlier, even if they had no chances for win. It is how it works, results are rewerded in attendance.

The leagues clearly get tougher as you promote up the chain, I'm not sure how this is even worth debating. And the biggest difference with D1 is that every team understands gameshape, enthusiasm and and other tricks so there aren't very many easy games. In any of the lower divisions he wouldn't have considered 9-7 a success so the point he's making on D1 being tougher is certainly valid.

It still doesn't matter. If, for example, 4 teams in Your league became bot and/or decided to tank, Your league would be weaker, however You attendance should be the same. And You would be very unhappy if attendece dropped. I can imagine new topic: "I won by 100 PD with bot and my attendance dropped, it's unfair". However if You want better attendance in tougher league, then in weaker league attendance should be worse, it's logical. Unfortunatelly human nature is out of logic.
Please imagine situation: You make deal, which should give You 500k every week. Unexpectedly You received 550k in 4 weeks in row. After 4 weeks You started to receive only 500k in next 4 weeks. What does logic say? Logic says that You gained 200k of extra money. What does human nature say in this case? Human nature says that You lost 200k of money.
Increasing attendance solves nothing. Because if every team in league has more money than they will pay higher payrolls, league will bo tougher and nothing will change. Only difference between 1st and 2nd division.

Could You check ranking of last arena incomes in Your league and paste it here?

It still doesn't matter. If, for example, 4 teams in Your league becabot and/or decided to tank, Your league would be weaker, however You attendance should be the same.

i disagree. 5 teams handing over easy wins will boost survey ratings in 2 different categories including the all important 'how did you play in your last league game'. Since a road win before your home game is the most important factor for attendance, I don't see how it wouldn't be higher. And if a couple of those tanking teams end up being your rival and/or TV games it will boost attendance even further.

No, it isn't what I mean. If You want to have 100% of maximal attendance after defeat then it shouldn't be higher after big win vs bot, because it's impossible to have more than 100% of maximal value.

So Your conclusion is:
Weaker league opponents - attendance should be higher because of easy wins and better ratings in fan survey.
Tougher league opponents - attendance should be higher because it's hard to play in strong division.
Do I understand properly Your statements?
So it looks like You want to have better attendance always.


Could You finally paste here ranking of last arena incomes in Your league? I think it proves that attendance works properly in BB.

Nope.

What I'm saying is that your attendance should be higher with weaker league opponents because there would be far more opportunities for road wins AND with a better team record, you should have better fan survey results.

If you're in a tougher league, both your record and fan survey will likely drop and your attendance will follow suit.

Okay, maybe I didn't write precisely. I understand Your saying that first sentence is logical conclusion (how it works now and it shouldn't be changed) whilst second sentence is Your wish (how it should work after change).

For me, if there shouldn't be penalty to attendance after lose vs strong opponent, then there shouldn't be bonus after win vs weak opponent, it should work in both directions.

If you're in a tougher league, both your record and fan survey will likely drop and your attendance will follow suit.

It exactly works in this way. However this topic was created because wish is that attendance shouldn't drop because of loses in tougher league.

So what exactly is wrong with attendance?

Last edited by B.B.King at 5/9/2013 11:15:33 AM