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I don't think 90% of users are fighting over kids to make sure they in end up in their country. Imagine the uk merged and scottish teams tank in all divisions, get all the hall of famers. Sounds fair for the english teams to just play perennial allstars for the seniors?

The draft will need to be adjusted of course, but that is a problem as a nation not individually. Each of you people in micronations individually can get MUCH better draftees on average than users who are in league with more human users.

So I agree that as a nation it's not good it would starve micronations of trainable players even more than now. Individually you are basically just get the same deal everyone else has.

Besides, in you example the Scots would get shafted because they would be the minority and there would be a much higher chance that some English manager tanks for picks. So I think you have that reversed.

It could be argued that the draft itself should be revamped for this merged region (and others in the future). Make the draft in the merged African region 5 rounds instead of three to make up for the potential lower amount of players being generated of each nation. Otherwise the NT's will eventually dry up.

Going even further, without being able to train more players at full speed, these NT's will be starved for players down the road. This would be a good way to roll-out a revamped training system that adds the ability for teams in this region (and others merged in the future) to train more players at full speed.

I reallly like and want the nicknames. Why you talk for everybody? Yes, the fan survey issue is pretty annoying and it must be the priority.


But You DON'T have the power for think or give an opinion for me

This is a business and they need to add things to make people stay.
Do you really think that any non supporter will buy supporter just for the nicknames?
Do you think adding nicknames is going to stop a user who is on the fence from quitting the game?
Do you think that anything they added or adjusted will keep new users from quitting the game?
That are the things the BBs need to ask themselves when adding content.
I think the answer to all three of these questions in NO.

You're right. The answers are NO, but it doesn't mean that you can say that NOBODY care this particular change. I really like this feature.

OK....I will correct myself and say....lots of people probably don't care about nicknames.

Mate I understand what you're saying but now imagine there are twice as many people gunning for picks...that's the reality in many leagues filled with humans and in theose leagues if you're in the playoffs it means 10th,12th pick not only behind those who tank but also several others. Individually each manager in a bot league is much better off in the draft.

Then of course I completely agree that you guys effectively get your NT and U21 players from 1 draft per season, while Spain has probably over 100. In the past this situation wasnt so bad because you had probably 5-21 drafts and were able to get enough valuable players as a nation.

I hope they will address this with a flat boost like I proposed earlier: select 2-3 bot drafts at random and allow someone to elect 4-5 players from those drafts to save each season. These players will then hit free agency. This is largely irrelevant for big nations but it may be vital for smaller nations. You can also play with this idea further tbh: instead of revealing the skills of the players maybe allocate a certain amount of scouting points by nation instead and give more to smaller nations (this would be effectively like giving the NT/U21 the ability to draft 4 players to free agency based on a fixed amount of scouting points).

I completely agree with you that micros will disappear without some help for the U21 and NT which is a very important part for a local community in BB.



Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/21/2017 6:09:24 AM

The biggest problem is that some teams will have to wait to know where they are going to play, as you pointed out. But it's not that different from teams who play the third PO game.

Those who are in the relegation are in the bottom half of their league, they know they can demote but it's only 1/4 of the league. Here 3/4 of the managers will be assigned to D2 automatically and with a criteria which is not entirely based on merit....

The goal is to reduce them as much as possible.

Then merge first and select top 16 after and not vice versa.

If you're confident your idea causes less inconvenience open a discussion just for African managers with the different options and see what they think. If you're really looking to reduce damage and annoyance, it seems very reasonable to ask them directly.



Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/21/2017 6:57:12 AM

As I've told you, your idea will mean more coding. You said it was false, but probably because you haven't thought a lot about that.
And about polls, most of the times they are tricky if you don't do them in a good way. This is not so easy as just put some options and let people vote. And I guess that when you run a company or a game like this, you have to choose carefully which decisions should follow this system.
BB's policy hasn't gone for polls a lot, I don't know if they will decide to change this policy in this particular case.

As I've told you, your idea will mean more coding.

Did Marin tell you this? I don't believe the difference is as big as you make it sound. At all. It's just 3 extra leagues and you'd run the calculations about who goes where in S40 only once.

The biggest coding issue should be allocating the nationality to the S40 draftees to be honest not creating 4 leagues instead of 1 and removing 3 of those the following season. When you create one you can also create 4. You will need to move teams manually after that one more time, but that also should be rather easy as Marin has done entire promotion-demotions for many more leagues by hand in the past. If this is so hard to do, then the Utopia effort should be in the Hall of Fame of coding. This is a mini tiny reverse Utopia with one season to adjust things.

It really feels like a cop out from you Foto. Even if it did require a LOT more effort on the devs side, this change will clearly affect enormously those 50 managers in those nations and frankly, if you really cared about ensuring a smooth transition and maximising retention you should do what it takes.


Oh and regarding polls I understand and that's why I changed "poll" to "forum discussion" in my post before you replied. This discussion should be open only to the manager affected by the change (and the asian micronations who are next) and staff members who wish to participate. I'm pretty sure the South Africans and hopefully some more will join the discussion. And if nobody expresses an opinion there, then I will agree with you that nobody cared enough about the change, so I will also support you if you go with the option that requires less effort on your part. Makes sense?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/21/2017 7:38:47 AM

I can't deny that small communities managers get an economic advantage but it allows to outweigh some inconveniences not shared by bigger communities (smaller draft pool, NT competitiveness). With this merge, almost all the advantages will be lost while the inconveniences will be kept. Is the aim of this deep change to chase us away? This way we won't bother anyone no more!