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From: Kukoc
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Date: 12/3/2011 5:50:57 AM
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Totally pointless suggestion...

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Date: 12/3/2011 7:22:46 AM
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Totally pointless suggestion...

Yes it is...

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Date: 12/3/2011 7:50:16 AM
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When higher league's teams pays more for the same drafted player (as suggested).
When higher league's teams train their drafters slower.

Sounds like there is very little motivation for a higher league team to train new draftees then. When you pay more to achieve slower training, surely your best option is to go to transfer list and train older players. The current system already is this way (this basically follows from the training system), but the logic you are applying here only makes the difference more pronounced.

When either happens, and surely when both does, it does not make the difference wider, but just put more focus on BB (training) and less on eBay (TL).

How? Isn't it the exact opposite if we talk about new draftees here?
As you wrote - currently there is no reason for an higher league to train draft players.
They are doing (almost pointless) training to veterans, and lose all of the idea of the important feature of "Training".

When those type of users will get a player that they CAN use from the draft, they will want to train it, as he can contribute to their team.
They can get a player from the TL, but on higher leagues, the proper players are fewer, and the purchase price is much higher than this high salary issue.

This drafted player will have slower training, but much higher than veterans, so it will be worth training them and not the veterans.

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Date: 12/3/2011 8:33:24 AM
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They are doing (almost pointless) training to veterans, and lose all of the idea of the important feature of "Training".

This is not quite true on two levels. It is not pointless to train veteran players, and it is not necessary to train veteran players. The fresh draftees are generally too bad for top-league teams, but good players who have a couple of seasons of training on them are certainly interesting for the majority of top-league teams. Fine-tuning veteran players is also a valid and effective tactical choice for top teams.

When those type of users will get a player that they CAN use from the draft, they will want to train it, as he can contribute to their team.

Sure, provided that it makes sense to train these players. Limiting the training speed of players drafted in the higher leagues does not appear a meaningful solution here. It would unnecessarily complicate the game.

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Date: 12/3/2011 9:01:07 AM
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They are doing (almost pointless) training to veterans, and lose all of the idea of the important feature of "Training".

This is not quite true on two levels. It is not pointless to train veteran players, and it is not necessary to train veteran players. The fresh draftees are generally too bad for top-league teams, but good players who have a couple of seasons of training on them are certainly interesting for the majority of top-league teams. Fine-tuning veteran players is also a valid and effective tactical choice for top teams.
It is like saying that adding a very thin and almost none viewable line to a picture is like paiting the picture from scatch.
The "almost" at the phrase "almost pointless" should be marked.
Training veterans will improve them, but it makes training from a major feature at BB game to a very neglectable one.
It makes it more a eBay-game than a BB-game. Which means - it loses the game's target.

When those type of users will get a player that they CAN use from the draft, they will want to train it, as he can contribute to their team.

Sure, provided that it makes sense to train these players.
By definition it is - training Durant on the NBA has its value.
One who will get Artest for the collegue can improve him faster and get more from that player, but both will be valueable for their league.

Limiting the training speed of players drafted in the higher leagues does not appear a meaningful solution here. It would unnecessarily complicate the game.
It already the case today - veteran playersare trained much slower than rookies.
It just adding a parameter for the desicion and the training formula.

And to summarize it;
In case it will allow higher league's teams to actually train players, it will improve the game.
In case it will not affect the game (as you said, it will still be not affordable to train those players) - there is no reason to oppose this suggestion.

So, at the worst - they will implement it, will find that nothing had changed due to this feature, and no harm will come.
At the best - it will make it more a BB-game and less a eBay-game.

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Date: 12/3/2011 10:07:11 AM
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It is like saying that adding a very thin and almost none viewable line to a picture is like paiting the picture from scatch.

What..? No, I think my statements are still correct.

Limiting the training speed of players drafted in the higher leagues does not appear a meaningful solution here. It would unnecessarily complicate the game.
It already the case today - veteran playersare trained much slower than rookies.
It just adding a parameter for the desicion and the training formula.

It is not just about adding a parameter to training. It is really making the system more complicated. If you make the training in higher leagues slower across the board, you shift the sweet spot of where the successful training of certain player types makes most sense. Overall it would suck for the higher leagues (limiting their choice and probably making things tougher), but I am personally undecided whether some added "suckiness" would be good or bad. And, on the other hand, if you give better draftees to higher league teams, they will be able to get a lot more money out of the draft than lower league teams. They can still sell those players (to lower league teams) after all.

Or if the idea is that the slower training is an attribute tied to the draftees themselves, you will make transfer market more complicated by making all future players have a variable, league-level-of-draft-time dependent, training speed in addition to their potential. This would probably mean that the high-league draftees will be mostly trained in higher leagues (in lower leagues they would have less value), after which they turn into non-trained players at pretty much all levels. The low-league draftees, on the other hand, would be (mostly) trained in lower leagues, and they would remain interesting for all teams for future training.

Or would the slower training attribute wear off the players at some age, or skill level, or gap to potential cap, or some other parameter? Or something else? I think there are some major implications here that really need to be thought out thoroughly. It serves no good to insist the suggestion is great, if you are not willing to critically think about it.

In case it will allow higher league's teams to actually train players, it will improve the game.

Teams in higher leagues do train players. They just seldom train their own draftees. Yes, I agree it would be nice to change that. But I don't see a problem-free solution on the table.

In case it will not affect the game (as you said, it will still be not affordable to train those players) - there is no reason to oppose this suggestion.

This change would definitely affect the game. I don't understand what you are exactly referring to as my words and what that reference is supposed to imply, but that is perhaps beside the point anyway. It is clear that changing the level of draftees and training speed of either individual players or individual teams would considerably affect the game. Whether the overall effect would be for good or bad, I haven't yet figured out entirely. But it would need to be significantly for the better to complicate the game in a way you suggest.

This is not as simple a change as you wish to make it appear.

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Date: 12/3/2011 10:44:41 AM
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î am for same chanches for everyone your suggestion would be a horrible task of balancing chanches ... Especially since you had to predict the market, which will be a most have since U21 squads depends on selling the div 1 draft into low level leagues that they reach their max ;) Also i believe most div 1 teams will sell them still, since there was always a market for elite talents.

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Date: 12/3/2011 1:08:21 PM
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Training your own draftee has an advantage. Merchandising.
Once again you just shoot something out there, put an E-Bay comment in there somewhere (that makes absolutely no sence again:D) and do not think about, how this change would impact different things. I sometimes think you lack comprehension alltogether.

From: rcvaz

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Date: 12/4/2011 11:13:58 AM
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No surprises here, then...

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Date: 12/4/2011 1:49:19 PM
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1) Complicting the game;
a) Adding the 3-point line had complicated the game. It does not mean that it is for the worse.
b) No one knows what is the current training parameters, only guessing, and evaluating due to the fact that the parameters had been (kind of) stable for to long. No harm (and a lot of good) will be added by mixing it up againg with this new parameters.
Real basketball game is frequently changing and the coaches and managers needs to adjust their strategy. This is true for economy and other uspect of life.
Complicating the game is not a bad thing.

2) Training Veterans is not like training your own draft players;
The fact is that currently training draft players at this BB-game under higher leagues is rare.
This fact implies a problem that needs to be fixed.

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