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204094.5 in reply to 204094.4
Date: 12/7/2011 11:58:25 AM
Cassville Yuck
II.3
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Yuckville Cass
If had was to do it all again I would promote into D3 with no less than 12k seating in my arena. You get a pretty massive spike in attendance when you promote from 4 to 3. USA D3 seems to be getting tougher every season. Most teams that cone up spend their first season just trying to stay up. You won't have a lot of spare cash to work on your arena for your first couple seasons in three.

That being said, if I were you I would find three guard trainees with superstar or mvp potential and start building them over the next couple seasons. Have good enough big men to keep you in D4 and crank on your arena. When you get it to where it is D3 ready your trainees will be D3 ready and you can work on swapping out Bigs that can push you into 3. Once you get to 3 you will probably upgrade your Bigs again.

Cruise through D3 and look at some of those arenas of the top teams. That will give you an idea of what you are up against.

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204094.7 in reply to 204094.1
Date: 12/7/2011 7:02:06 PM
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Yuck and bossofbosses bring up good points, but I don't think tanking makes sense for you right now. You're 9-1, you'll have HCA through the finals if you win your game with Barack Oballers, and the money you'd make off the TL for your aging players wouldn't buy you trainees of any real value at this point. The promotion bonus is huge, like Yuck mentioned. You're looking at a 300k promotion bonus plus at least 50k more in attendance revenue, even if you tank next season. More if you increase your arena size. After 11 home games, that's an extra 850k above what you would make in D4 next season. That doesn't factor in the TV contract or increased merchandise revenue either. That will give you the money to buy some real trainees you can keep long term. Taking Yuck's advice and buying young trainees right now would realistically take 3 seasons anyway. Promoting is not going to hurt your bottom line much, if at all. I'd think it would help because you would be in line for a great draft pick if you finish 8th next season.

From: Dean Broda

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204094.8 in reply to 204094.5
Date: 12/7/2011 7:29:20 PM
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I could copy this post and use it as my own. This is exactly what I am working on. D5 to D4 was a huge change for me and found myself way undermanned. Luckily I drafted an 18 year old mvp sf and an 18 year old all-star pg to go with my 20 year old superstar sg.

Now I am training and expanding my arena with the hopes of being good in a few seasons.

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204094.9 in reply to 204094.1
Date: 12/7/2011 7:37:19 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
III.8
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Miłwaukee Lethargy
many people will disagree i'm sure, but i see absolutely no point in having a giant arena -- even up to & including Div II.
to state the obvious, 1000 seats filled at $16 nets the same revenue as 2000 seats at $8. zero difference. & if one has so many bleacher seats (or any type) that even with minimal prices they're still half empty, what's the benefit???

More seats does not equal more money. People are almost portraying it as if they double their arena size & they'll double their income. It's simply not true. There's basically a cap on how much you can make in each division. Look -- win games & people will show up, moderately high prices and all. You don't even need an arena over 10k to be successful in DII. certainly not in DIII, DIV, or DV...

not saying a big arena is bad. or that that slowly building it up is bad. just that it's way overvalued.


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204094.10 in reply to 204094.9
Date: 12/8/2011 4:30:03 AM
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many people will disagree i'm sure, but i see absolutely no point in having a giant arena -- even up to & including Div II.
to state the obvious, 1000 seats filled at $16 nets the same revenue as 2000 seats at $8. zero difference. & if one has so many bleacher seats (or any type) that even with minimal prices they're still half empty, what's the benefit???


half empty arena -> fault in arena pricing. You could make it also with small arena, but should avoid it ;)

Your example, thats right mathematical but try to put in 3000 selled placed at 8$ and you are closer to the reality and then you see the difference.

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204094.11 in reply to 204094.10
Date: 1/9/2012 4:00:32 PM
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Wow everything has changed since I posted this topic. I sold my trianees and bought a new roster + new trainees.

I am trying to promote with the following roster:

PG: 20k
SG: 40k
SF: 26k
PF: 26k
C: 30k

I think I can promote now!

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204094.12 in reply to 204094.1
Date: 1/12/2012 7:59:51 PM
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I got shot down for this too.

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204094.13 in reply to 204094.11
Date: 1/12/2012 10:51:26 PM
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Yh you definitely have a shot.. If you'll be the first , you'll be facing a much easier team than you would if you were the second. It seems that your last 2 league games are against weak teams.. you should TIE them. You can also TIE the semifinal game, because you have home court advantage + a better team. By doing this you can play normal in the conference finals with like 10 enthusiasm + home court advantage. Then when you hit the finals you'll still have some of that enthusiasm left.