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Like I said, this is NOT the first time this (or something similar) has happened. We have been discussing it in the BB Italia forum since pretty much immediately after the changes to the Game Engine were made, and it has already come up elsewhere other times, with the official response being that after a TO, a team is more likely able to take a better shot, resulting in a higher chance of making the 3 pointer.

And as it for not being impossible, let me have my doubts. The 3rd and 4th 3-pointers were taken not after a timeout, but after a missed free throw and a made free throw. So what you mean to tell me is that, on consecutive plays, a team is first able to inbound the ball and take a 3 pointer from just beyond the arc on the other side of the field in 3 seconds, and then grab a defensive rebound and again take a 3 pointer from just beyond the arc, this time in 2 seconds? All this after having already scored two consecutive 3 pointers, both times in 2 seconds, on consecutive plays? And while managing to commit a clock-stopping foul in exactly two seconds for 4 consecutive defensive plays?
Can you show me where something like this has happened in real life since you say it is "certainly not impossible"?

Are you trying to say that it's physically impossible, not unlikely, but impossible for your scenario to occur?

Reggie Miller scored 8 points in 8 seconds against the NewYork Knicks so 12 points in 17 secons is possible.

The question is: does this happen many times in BB. If yes, its a bug...

It might be unusual, but with hundreds of thousands of games played a week, you're going to see some odd, but possible occurences.

These kind of oddities seem to be a little bit too common though.

The new GE is trying to simulate the 'real' last minute and honestly I think that BBs have done a good job with it... but I also think that there is room for 'fine tuning'.

This is what happened in the last 8 seconds of my today's game:
0:08 defensive rebound for team A
0:06 foul by team B
0:06 2/2 FT made by team A
0:02 3 point made by team B
0:00 Foul by team B
0:00 0/2 FT made by team A

All fine except that team A was ahead by 11 points already... I think that with -11 points and 6 seconds to go team B should just give up instead of continuing the foul and 3p strategy... and the foul on the last second is just nonsense.

But you will surely pretend there is nothing odd also with it as you too often do...

No, he did not. He scored 8 points in 11 seconds, and the dinamic of how he did it whas completely different. He stole the imbounds pass before his second 3, so he didn't have to travel the length of the field. My opponent had to do that not once, but twice.

Reggie Miller scored 8 points in 8 seconds against the NewYork Knicks so 12 points in 17 secons is possible.

The question is: does this happen many times in BB. If yes, its a bug...

What is your definition of "many times"?

Games Played This Week: 145857
Games played in an entire NBA regular season: 2460

The NBA has 1.6% of the games for a season that BB simulates in a week.

Crazy things statistically will happen much more often on BB then they will in an NBA game.

It might be unusual, but with hundreds of thousands of games played a week, you're going to see some odd, but possible occurences.

These kind of oddities seem to be a little bit too common though.

The new GE is trying to simulate the 'real' last minute and honestly I think that BBs have done a good job with it... but I also think that there is room for 'fine tuning'.

This is what happened in the last 8 seconds of my today's game:
0:08 defensive rebound for team A
0:06 foul by team B
0:06 2/2 FT made by team A
0:02 3 point made by team B
0:00 Foul by team B
0:00 0/2 FT made by team A

All fine except that team A was ahead by 11 points already... I think that with -11 points and 6 seconds to go team B should just give up instead of continuing the foul and 3p strategy... and the foul on the last second is just nonsense.

But you will surely pretend there is nothing odd also with it as you too often do...

Right, I'm pretending.

Personal attacks aside, see my response above.

No, he did not. He scored 8 points in 11 seconds, and the dinamic of how he did it whas completely different. He stole the imbounds pass before his second 3, so he didn't have to travel the length of the field. My opponent had to do that not once, but twice.

Right - the Miller game isn't really germane to this discussion.

See my last post, though.

Is it physically impossible to win the New York Lottery 3 times in a row? No,right? But I would say that the odds are so low that it can be considered statistically impossible.

I would say that the same thing applies here.

Now, if you want to keep saying that in your opinion there is nothing wrong and what happened is perfectly fine then all right, I'll take it as your opinion on the subject. But, if at all possible, I would like to hear the opinion of a BB regarding the matter, and see if the Game Engine is handling these situations like they intended.

If they tell me that nothing is wrong, and the Game Engine is working exactly as they intended, then I'll drop the subject and draw my own conclusions.

FWIW, my gut feeling is that something's up. Nigeria performed similarly well (although not quite as extremely) in the late minutes vs. Canada in the same situation. Almost as if there's a wrong sign in the adjustment meant to lessen the chance of making desperate late, forced three pointers.

Exactly. The percentage of 3 pointers made in these late rally situations goes up dramatically for no reason at all.

And besides, I think it would also be smart for the Game Engine to implement that the team with the lead put its 5 best free-throw shooters on the floor once it sees that the other team is fouling every two seconds.

I am not R.Madrid Basket team supporter, neither GM-JuicePats supporter... ;-)))

But look at this crazy last minute in the last match of the final of the spanish basket league between R.Madrid and Tau: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8NSwhix3sI)

Summary: 40 seconds to the end, result R.Madrid is losing by 8 points and technical foul to the Real Madrid player Alberto Herreros.

R.Madrid with the ball... make 3 points
Tau with the ball... fails 2 points
Rebound for R.Madrid... make 2 points
Tau with the ball... turnover
R.M with the ball... misses 3 point shot.... fault, 2/3 FT
Tau with the ball... turnover
Time-out asked by Tau
R.M with the ball... make 3 points
Tau, last attack... try 2 points and ball blocked... End of the match.

And this is not the longest last minute I have seen in my life...
I bet that the Tau trainer would have posted in the ACB bug forum if it would exist... ;-)


Last edited by Emilio at 4/8/2008 7:05:57 PM