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I have suggested something similar before to with the thought to slightly strengthen the smaller nations against the bigger nations. It would do a lot of good for the NT scene if done in a good way.

I can understand that I don't have enough weight to make things happen, but why on earth don't they listen to you GMs?

Frustrating once again.

I have suggested something similar before to with the thought to slightly strengthen the smaller nations against the bigger nations. It would do a lot of good for the NT scene if done in a good way.

I can understand that I don't have enough weight to make things happen, but why on earth don't they listen to you GMs?

Frustrating once again.

It's because GM's are still normal users. We don't get to influence policy (since that could give us an advantage) nor should any staffmember (other than the BB's) have any more influence.

If GM's were to have an influence (or if BB's reacted faster to GM's suggestion) then that would mean that being a GM holds an advantagious position (in comparison to the rest of the community). right now a GM has multiple tasks (approving new users, investigating the reports made by the community and follow up on those reports, provide enough evidence to punish a cheater, moderate the forum & in some events, are responsible for correct translations (about 40% of the GM's have addition LA duties)

If you look at any of those tasks, is there any task that gives us a competitive advantage over non staffmember? We can't investigate cases within our own division (since we could potentially be direct beneficiaries), we can't handle cases where we know the user personally (since it clouds the judgement).

Even though we keep repeating it, GM's hold no larger influence or power when it comes to deciding what happens in BB than any normal user do.

Manon, Foto, i or any other GM could say what we want, it won't influence the BB's decisions (nor should it! otherwise you create a group of individuals who can use that advantage to steer the game into a direction that befits them more than their opponents!)

not sure how many times we (the GM's) are going to have to repeat ourselves. We are no different from the non staff members when it comes to information or competitiveness. The only difference is that the GM's are empowered with tools to do right by the community, following a standard that is set by the BB's and have the responsibility to remind & enforce the rules set out by the BB's (and punish if need be). You can look at the LA in the same way. He's supposed to provide a translation for anything that gets changed or edited in the original text. They too don't get information up ahead (Not even the parts that need to be translated like news announcements or how new rules work). they only get that information once it has been officially released to the community, after which they are required to provide a translation as soon as they can.

not sure how many times we (the GM's) are going to have to repeat ourselves. We are no different from the non staff members when it comes to information or competitiveness.

However, in the context of this discussion there's the matter of respect given to people's views. Its human nature to treat people differently and for the words they say to be judged by not just who they are, but our opinion of who they are.

Therefore in this discussion its very likely that Manon's view carries more weight then Knecht's or mine, merely because both Knecht and I have been critical of the staff in general, and the BBs specifically. So Knecht is undeniably correct to feel Manon's opinion, even as a normal user (your words), will be more respected.

But yet again when it comes down to if a suggestion is good or not i really hope none of that matters.

We can all hope.

If you really have no influence as a GM I somehow feel you are even dumber than the regular user who still hangs around.

At least you can harass and fine people. Oh and free supporter yay!

If you really have no influence as a GM I somehow feel you are even dumber than the regular user who still hangs around. XD

If that is how you feel, i pity you. Seems like you have yet to discover something that you really like and genuinely want to contribute too. All you seem to enjoy is being a genuine nuisance and irritate people. I pity that you haven't found something yet that you genuinely like. In BB i found a game which was fun, worth my time and had a community who genuinely was worth the time invested into it. the BB community used to be like a beautiful garden. Alas, the BB's are forgiving people and force the GM's to abide by a much to generous code. Else we would have been able to remove weeds long ago.

At least you can harass and fine people.

Just proves my point that you take pleasure in annoying others. Unlike you, i dislike the punishing part. Each time i dish out a punishment, be it a warning, a forumban, a fine or a game ban, i pity the guy receiving it. For he felt the need to
a) either abuse others on the forum or by bbmail
b) cheat so that he would progress faster
c) failed to live by the simple code of conduct that was put together by the BB's, giving the best possible chances for a beautiful BB garden to prosper.
The one thing that lets me do my job as GM, is that at the end of the day, i know i've done my best to positively contribute to the game of that i genuinely like playing, even if that involves having to do some of the less pleasant work. That when i log in the next time, the game will be all the better for it. Should the day arrive that i no longer feel the motivation to eradicate as much weeds from BB that i can, then that will be the day that i quit as a GM. And i'm pretty sure that more than a couple of users would be sad to see that day arrive (although i doubt you will be one of them.)

Oh and free supporter yay! B)

XD i doubt there is a single GM who does his work just because they get a free supporter package. a supporterpackage is 12 USD for 3 months. that means 4 USD for per month. 4 USD for the amount of time GM's spend to be online is a joke. We do the job cause we want to contribute in the best possible way to game. If that implies doing the nasty stuff so that others don't have to, then I (and i think i speak for any GM for that matter) will gladly do it. If the BB's deem it fit to reward us with a supporter package, then we gracefully accept that token of appreciation for all the hours we invest in this game. Each GM does this job, cause he wishes to positively contribute to the game and is willing to invest the time to make positive contributions. I'm truly astonished you are still having difficulty understanding that. i would have reckoned that people with even limited brain capability would have understood that within a year of playing the game. Maybe i think to highly of certain users in this community. XD But i much prefer to make than assumption and thus i'll keep believing that there is still more good than bad in this community. For when the day arrives that the previous statement doesn't hold truth anymore, means that the game which i enjoy so much has been tainted by too many weeds & that i've failed to call a stop to it

Not going to argue with yyou as I finally came to the conclusion you must be mother Theresa's reincarnation.

Nice one referring to me and others as weeds. Very classy 👍🏻😂

Not going to argue with yyou as I finally came to the conclusion you must be mother Theresa's reincarnation.

Nice one referring to me and others as weeds. Very classy 👍🏻😂

:? :/

Aaaah but my dear Knecht,


I haven't referred to you (or any other user in this forum) as a weed (unless if you own a second account, in which case i have yet to discover it). I've implied that i consider it my mission to ride the BB garden from weeds. Let me help you a bit more:

a valueless plant growing wild, especially one that grows on cultivated ground to the exclusion or injury of the desired crop.

under that definition, i'd put cheaters, frauds or any general user who refuses to abide by the rules, as set forth in the terms of conduct by the owners of the garden (the BB's)

Now if you, or any other user, considers themselves to be a weed, then you should reflect on your own behavior and improve it (as i will reflect on mine).

You've once again made an assumption :/. How many times am i going to have to demonstrate you that making assumptions is the wrong way to go about things.

Last edited by AthrunZala at 1/24/2017 6:49:52 PM

Wow, you are the worst. But actually it made me realize I have to quit - dealing with the likes of you made me tired.

My war against windmills will soon come to an end.