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a related change i want to make is the way the zone defenses work, i want to make who defends the actual shots probabilistic rather than straight up 1 vs 1 etc... and make it a function of the shot type. right now they effectively do that, but its sort of indirect and particularly looks weird cause the matchviewer shows it as being the straight up defense when really indirectly everyone is defending.

There is another benefit from this situation: one of the main benefits from Run and Gun offenses (and fast-paced offenses in general) is that if you push the ball up the floor, there is a greater chance that Shaq will have to pick up Dwyane Wade, figuratively speaking. As far as I can notice, this benefit is being foregone right now, so instead you just get to chuck a lot of shots.

The problem is, of course, that fast offenses are still clearly overpowered, so I am not sure how to sort out the checks and balances there.

The shotblocking attempt shoulde be influenced by shooters's FT skill. Especially inside shots of big men. Poor ft shooters should be blocked more foten than good ones. Check how many of Okafor's shots was blocked last season because of his poor FT%. Also if dunks, hook shots etc. are not just presentation things, there ae different types of shots some of them easier/more difficult to block than others.

The shotblocking attempt shoulde be influenced by shooters's FT skill.

Why?Shot blocking could work as jump range,as a multiplier of inside defence if you want to implement it

Because it is like that in reality. Maybe no everybody is aware of but it is. Larry Brown knows better.

because you could defend a player with more risk, when he don't pnish you for a foul.

in BB a perfect shooter could be atrocious at FT...so this is not the way to make shot bloking real useful...
I'll like that it work as jump range,as a multiplier of defence...

in BB a perfect shooter could be atrocious at FT...so this is not the way to make shot bloking real useful...

Why? If you raise the amount of fouls in missed blocks trys, you will usually block those guys, which don't hit their ft.

Maybe this way was to complicated, but it haven't to do with the shooting ability from the field.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/6/2009 10:09:25 AM

in BB a perfect shooter could be atrocious at FT...so this is not the way to make shot bloking real useful...

I don't see why. We were talking about inside shots anyway.

First of all, I really like the extra contribution of the BBs lately, I seem to see a lot more communication with the users (it might be just me of course), thnx for the given info again.

I'm confused about your statement of shot blocking though. You say it doesn't contribute to the ID, but as far as I know it does. The player rating of players with shot blocking is significantly higher than players without blocking, so that might lead to the conclusion that shot blocking surely contributes to the defense. It would be very logical as well of course if you guys implented that in the GE from the start, since (from my own 'live' experience it's very iritating to see a 'hand in your face' all the time.) This hand (the SB ability pbb) make it severly harder to shoot, even without blocking the shot, so it contributes to the defense of your squad.

Edit;
I've got a quote of Charles here as well saying SB contributes to ID, but it's quite old so I don't know if it's still right, maybe you can check it out if you've got some time left;

(33639.21)

1. Blocking does contribute to inside defense, but the much stronger effect is simply that some shots are blocked rather than becoming either made or missed.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/6/2009 10:53:56 AM

The shotblocking attempt shoulde be influenced by shooters's FT skill.

You talked about this,after you have said "we talk about inside shots"...

This is true.... but my point is that the size of the effect can be measured in terms of how many shots were actually blocked. There are no shots which shot blocking affected which were not blocked.... so shot blocking is a good skill it does turn shot attempts into shot blocks which does reduce your opponents shooting percentage which is a good thing... but there are so few of them a game that this effect is perhaps not strong enough. Because in reality shot blockers affect more shots than just the ones they actually block... or that would be my claim.

I could simply turn up the size of the shot blocking effect and have more blocked shots.. and maybe that has to be done too... but the argument is that i should turn it up to the point where shot blocking matches reality, and whether at that level that the benefit of shot blocking is fully realized in the simulation. I would argue that it is not.

I of course am biased as I played center and averaged 5.5 blocks a game in HS.. so i think shot blocking is maybe more important than it really is.

I will also say that I do think in reality those who try to block a lot of shot do foul more.. though I don't think I want that part of BB because I dont want training a good player a little bit more in shot blocking to make him worth less because he fouls out all the time. Since there is no way to "untrain" it would be very bad for an owner to discover he invested training in his star player and actually made him less valuable.

EDIT: SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS MIGHT BE MISLEADING.. PLEASE READ (66639.86)

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:57:12 PM