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95141.5 in reply to 95141.3
Date: 8/1/2009 1:21:04 PM
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I still don't understand how my SF who i slightly overpaid for to have a go to guy takes 9 shots in the first half and draws 4 fouls against hi opponent. Then in the second half he stops attacking. He shoots 2 shots in the first 23 minutes and 40 secs in the second half and fires 3 threes in the last 20 secs.

Any team i have ever played for would have put someone in who would attack them, if the starter stopped attacking. If he was off in the second half so be it. But to stop playing offense.

I don't understand how players in foul trouble sometimes pick up 3 or 4 in the first half and still play the majority of the game without getting more foul trouble or play less effective defense.

In real life if your in foul trouble most coaches sit the player and if they leave them in they usually switch them to a player who is less of a threat (which is currently not possible in BB to my knowledge) or the player takes less chances and his opposing player gets a few better looks.

Currently team that have a good starting lineup and who have their team play let them play have more of an advantage in my eyes then deep teams because it is often hard to foul players out and you get no advantages when they are playing with foul trouble. I believe there should be some kind of middle ground. If a player has 4 fouls in the second quarter and has a 10 defense then if he stays in the game his defense should drop to an 8 or something along those lines.


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95141.6 in reply to 95141.5
Date: 8/1/2009 1:24:41 PM
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i often see them to take lot more shots against my guy who is in trouble, usually because he doesn't defend that hard anymore ;) If you got other missmatches through tactic changes from your coach, maybe the engine isn't that intelligent to take the bit worser looks to give him the last fouls.

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95141.7 in reply to 95141.6
Date: 8/1/2009 2:58:34 PM
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I had a game when opponent's best player fouled out in first quarter and his center was one foul from it. In addition his second best player was injured and din't play at all. Easy win. Oh memories.

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95141.8 in reply to 95141.6
Date: 8/1/2009 3:50:16 PM
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maybe the GE is not smart enough but i also no for fact that it did not take the best tactical advantage all the time. In my opinion the best tactical play is to foul out there best player. He had triple double against me and him fouling out and sitting on the bench is better the him hurting me on the court.

I'm not saying go after him till he fouls out, but if he has a few fouls already then tell the opposing player to go a few times one on one with him and see what happens and take a few more shots and try to get him off the court.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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95141.10 in reply to 95141.9
Date: 8/3/2009 1:20:57 PM
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Hi Charles,

I appreciate the response. Everything you said there sounds great but i can only speak for my games and the other managers i have spoken with. In my last game my best offensive player was aggressive and shot the ball in the first half and based on what i understand from you, that the GE had him taking good shots. Then in the second half he stopped shooting as he had 2 shots until the last 20 secs of the game. I have a hard time believing that he could not find SOME quality shots in the entire second half against a player who is in foul trouble.

If everything your saying is 100% accurate then i would suggest that when a player has 3+ fouls in the first 4+ in the second 5 in the second half that his defense should drop a bit more as i don't find my offensive players taking advantage against players in foul trouble.

If team choose the tactic to let them play through foul trouble then they should have to play a bit less physical on defense to make up for not trying to commit another foul.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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95141.11 in reply to 95141.10
Date: 8/8/2009 4:30:10 PM
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Hi

i have a question what is the best defence against (run and gun)

and what it is the best offence against 3-2 zone

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95141.12 in reply to 95141.11
Date: 8/8/2009 7:31:07 PM
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Well, a lot of this has to do with your team, but generally if you know the other team is going to run a run and gun offense, you probalby should run a man to man or a 3-2 zone.

So, since a 3-2 zone focuses on preventing perimeter shooting, you should run some type of inside-focused offense.

Last edited by squeakrico7 at 8/8/2009 7:31:37 PM

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95141.13 in reply to 95141.12
Date: 8/13/2009 11:00:01 AM
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Here is another example and maybe the best one yet. In Israel NT game with 5:52 left in the 2nd Q Scweitz PG J. Chabernaud picked up his 5th foul. Israels 2 point guards at that point had a combined 4 points on 1-4 shooting as their PG played 15 of the first 18 minutes. He then played an incredible game from that point on as he played in 23 of the last 30 minutes without fouling again and holding his oppenets to 1-13 from the field.

I find it very difficult to believe that at a NT level you cant make a defender pay for being in foul trouble. Either his opponents should have shot a better and taken a few more shots with his defender struggling not to foul out or at some point he should have been called for his 6th and final foul.

This is one of the things that bothers me the most in this game as teams that play the tactic let them play have an advantage as i find it hard to generally take advantage of a player who is in foul trouble.

I don't know why i am getting such little feed back but would love to hear what others think about this as well.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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95141.14 in reply to 95141.13
Date: 8/13/2009 3:24:34 PM
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what do you want to hear? that i was watching the game and was waiting to see when he will foul out? and if i remamber correct 2 of Israel player wear eventualy out in 6 fouls?

i think it is redicules some times but i can tell you that i have sean more then once players who fould out faster then the speed of lightling (my own personal record is 8 minuts on the court)

i have another problem thou concerning fouls more directly offensive fouls as of the last few games i find myself cursing the game after 4-5 offensive fouls from my own team players i was just wondering if any one think or dose know why some players tend to do alot of offensive fouls?

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95141.15 in reply to 95141.14
Date: 8/13/2009 6:25:19 PM
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its not about him fouling out or not. Its the fact that his defense does not get any worse from that point on. In real life he would be on the bench. Lets forget about that for a sec. The player in foul trouble does not want to foul out so they reach abit less and the contest shots less and they are not in your face when your going to the basket. Which should mean that the opposing player should have better looks during the game which does not look like it happened n this game or allot of other games i have watched over the seasons.

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.