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Two things:

1) b3 game times are moved to ensure that the enthusiasm cycles are matched (my b3 game last year in australia was moved a couple of hours to ensure i had the proper enthusiasm drop).

2) it is difficult to believe that a team would decide to train game shape in the first place deep into the b3 tournament, much less after examining the results of their opponent's game shape. and for that matter, what would precipitate a change in training? if all of your players were proficient gs to match them? or rather would bad game shape for your team lead your opponent to train game shape to have an advantage there?

I think point no 2 is more than valid. Last weeks draw was much later than normal - not sure if that will be the norm now or if that is one off. It is becoming harder and harder to juggle minutes and yes with an OT in a cup or injury that adds minutes to main players it is not inconceivable to consider training GS at the last minute.

Had I known I was to face you on the road in week 1 (infact not just you, at least 10-15 teams) vs having a home draw my training decision may have been different.

Looking at my GS after week 1 (respectable for all my starters - + 1 strong only for my 4 bench players)... if I was my opponent in a marginal matchup I would've for sure trained GS to try and squeeze out an advantage.

We all know how much different a team of 5x proficients can play against a team of 5x respectables.

Again - it might be small but its there... and I appreciate its not set up to be this way but I feel its a valid suggestion for Gameshape/DMI to be 'hidden' until all training updates have occured.

So your suggestion is to make sure that the B3 draws are released prior to training? I concur with that suggestion.

So your suggestion is to make sure that the B3 draws are released prior to training? I concur with that suggestion.

Well actually maybe afterwards.... either know who your opponent is and be able to act accordingly with all the information you have to hand.

OR if you know your opponent before Fridays update, hide their GS/DMI til all updates have occured.

back to your point no1. If I draw you on the road next week..(nice thought :0) then you will still have the enthusiasm benefit and you will have the advantage of seeing my Gameshape before having to commit to your training for the week.(not that it might scare you sufficiently)

Point is now, Home advantage (fair and luck of the draw) can be added to by 2 further variables; Extra enthusiasm that is yours thru nothing other than default + the ability to improve your gameshape to better or match your opponents if you see they have had a very positive or negative GS update.

BUMP.

Training times do occur at different times.

There are still occasions where teams enter BB3 games 2 daily updates after their Tuesday game to there opponents 1.

Time to regurgitate an old moan until there is equality for teams located in the East!!!

Entering a game with 15% less enthusiasm away from home after your opponent can see what your GS is before deciding on his own training for the week is stacking the odds too heavily in favour of teams in the West........

I assume this will be met with silence or a 'Superflys having his seasonal moan' this however doesnt escape the fact that from the remaining teams this season in BB3 we have a Hong Kong a Phillipino and Japanese team left.

Getting drawn away is more severe for us than a Western team visiting us on the road.

Correct me if i am barking mad or can a solution be found?!

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The BB team is aware of the enthusiasm problem, and I am sure it will be fixed when a plausible solution is found.

I don't think you will see anything happening where training times are concerned.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 7/1/2009 3:36:49 PM

I dont propose to change training. Out of the 2 problems this is I imagine the easiest to fix.

Just dont make the changes visible to everyone til EVERYONES training run has been complete....

As for the enthusiasm - I have no idea either but what if the away team got play on their normal timeframe and not their opponents (will now try figure out if that makes any sense!)

Hey Charles - thanks for the reply.

Then I assume its me that is still wrong about training.

As I see it now for example I get training at 16.40 local time in Japan on Friday. My understanding is that the training update for lets say the USA takes place AFTER this (maybe 2-3hrs) as it is one of the last countries to update.

SO, if I were in the USA drawn against a team in Asia, I could see their training update (just DMI/GS) and then before my training update I could alter my own to GS training IF i suddenly saw my opponent with all proficients.

It must work like this as when I check the Nippon NT roster at 16.40, I see changes to the players who play locally but have to check back later to check for pops on the other players who play for teams who's training updates are calculated later.

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Daily updates.... would scheduling the games in the local times of the away teams solve anything?

This way the games are still staggered and the away team is then guaranteed to have 1 update and then worse case the home team has 2 updates which is offset by the fact they get the Home court advantage (in the rare cases).

Well i guess there isn't an easy solution as you say..

It's at least comforting to hear I'm not going mad and that these differences (albeit small ones) are there and they do add up if put altogether.

What about the suggestion of playing at the pre-set time of the away team rather than the home?

I still don't understand how having training at different times makes much of a difference for b3 teams. I am pretty sure that the teams in the Americas will not change training based upon the game shape results of Asian or European teams (at least for myself and KDB). Seems like a big waste of time to even worry about this.

As far as the loss of enthusiasm for Asian teams playing in the Americas, I thought that this was just a paranoid cry from Superfly, but seeing as it does exist, should be corrected to protect the integrity of the b3 tournament. From what you wrote, it seems that merely changing the game time (from say 8pm Boston time to 1pm Boston time) would create problems? I would have thought that it could be changed manually with small effort - as previous b3 finals were similarly changed.