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66284.50 in reply to 66284.49
Date: 1/13/2009 6:20:16 PM
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That's a pretty short sample, and isn't necessarily anything to be worried about.


How can you surmise that's nothing to be worried about since it's a pretty short sample? I'm not going to assume you have access to a larger sample, correct me if I'm wrong, so I'd rather this be something a BB to look into and decide.

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Date: 1/13/2009 6:32:20 PM
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At first- FT are a training options so there can't be a change to make them more realistic. FT% is just not really realistic in this game but it's balanced.

The thing is (and from what I heard) that the higher level the lower FG% (3PT% probably too). It's simple - in lower leagues you can face opponents who are not that tough and some of them don't care about defense much. In higher leagues opponents with good defenders tend to be more common.

Other thing is that many teams in buzzerbeater prefers faster pace. That can influence (and should) FG%. Because otherwise we could see a really high numbers in some games (especially at lower levels where newbies should got this game is a sane thing in simulating reality). It could lead to a bit scoreless games on top levels if defense prevails. Not sure what could be done about that as the game engine for all levels is the same.

(BTW it would be better to write like american third division, german fourth division,...whatever, since different countries have different level of competition on the same levels)

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Date: 1/13/2009 9:43:12 PM
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i think clearly the pace of the game are a little fast in general maybe, though maybe not. if you take the average score of a d1 college game in real life its maybe 70-65. Add in 20% more possessions and it becomes 84-78 or so. nba scores are in the 90s due to the faster game clock and slightly different rules.


i dont knwo what the average score of a bb game SHOULD be, but low 90s high 80s seems right assuming normal pace and a blend of m2m and random zones.

from there youw ant to back-in the expected scoring rate for an average team for 2 point attempts and 3, and figure out the pace from there i guess. anyway i jsut feel the 3 point scoring rate (and probably overall field goal percentage) is too low.


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66284.53 in reply to 66284.49
Date: 1/13/2009 10:11:39 PM
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Just when a threads ticking along nicely - you come and butt in.

Brain - Just scanning thru my top 'small' sample.... All my top guards are between 0.28 & 0.35% from the 3 line. With Bastias/Berger pushing up the averages (Big men) although they are mainly played in PF and sometimes SF role. But I have not been so predicatable with my tactics this season.

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66284.55 in reply to 66284.52
Date: 1/14/2009 8:53:31 AM
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Well, it is written that this game uswes NBA rules. So college basketball (and european or any international basketball) is irrelevant.

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66284.56 in reply to 66284.11
Date: 1/15/2009 11:02:07 AM
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If the percentage for 3 point shooting is to be raised to make it more realistic i think the amount of 3s attempted should be lowered.

If we look at TheUnrepentantGunner statistics for season 5 we can see that he averaged 39 attemps per game. For the current NBA season the team with the most attempts pr game is the Knicks with 29, hitting 35.8% of those.

Next is the Orlando Magic with 26 attemps per game hitting 40% followed by the Hawks with 21 attemps and 38%.

This team in my division (41432) had an average in season 5 of 36.9 attempts per game. This season its 31 a game.

This team in Norway div1 (41394) has an average of 32 3s a game.


Not evidence, but it suggests to me that the amount of 3s attempted by an run and gun team is a bit high.

On the other hand, not one team in the NBA ((still current season) has below 12 attempts a game. This season i average 6.8. I suppose that is a good thing, considering i hit only 19.4 % of those. Boosted i might add by stellar shooting by my Center who has hit 40% of his 3s. Yep, he has hit 2/5.

But still lower than Amar'e Stoudemire 60% 3s this season, he hit 3/5.


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66284.57 in reply to 66284.55
Date: 1/19/2009 6:29:10 AM
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Well, it is written that this game uswes NBA rules.


Seeing is believing and I'd like to see and read that somewhere other than forum post. So where to look?

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Date: 1/19/2009 11:16:31 AM
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Well, it is written that this game uswes NBA rules.


Seeing is believing and I'd like to see and read that somewhere other than forum post. So where to look?


Maybe we can have it added to the Rules.

It's 100% that the game was meant to use NBA rules, and that is a fact, not speculation.

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66284.59 in reply to 66284.56
Date: 1/19/2009 2:16:43 PM
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some of that is because i almost always ran run and gun (high pace and lots of outside shots), AND because i went full court press, increasing my possessions even more. furthermore.

as a result my games had on aggregate a much higher average number of chances than most games. look at my playoff run and youll see just how dramatic it was

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66284.60 in reply to 66284.59
Date: 1/19/2009 2:59:35 PM
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I know, that was kinda the point:-)

As for FCP the team i linked to in my division has not used that much and still have a higher than normal average. Even this season while playing a couple of games without RNG.

Furthermore i checked out bb-stats for the amount of 3ps attempted in my division:

Kåre Øverli (2568475) 177 attempts over 15 games: 11.5 average
Harry Dahlstrøm (2409926) 168 attempts over 13 games: 12.9 average
Gabriel Martinez (2667906) 150 attemptw over 14 games: 10.7 average
Kjetil Sollie (3119847) 135 attempts over 15 games: 9 average.

The alltime record for 3ps attempts in one season in the NBA is currently held by George McCloud. He had an average of 8.5 a game.

As a curiosity i might add that the current NBA leader in 3p attempts is the 6 ft 10 PF and occasionally small forward Rashard Lewis. He is averaging 6.8 attempts a game:-)






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